View Full Version : Silencers??
anthony20031
07-13-2009, 05:20 PM
Just a quick question. On July 6th the "Firearms Freedom Act" (HB-21) was introduced. If passed it states that firearms and firearm accessories manufactured in the state and are used for personal use are no longer subject to federal law or regulation. Now was curious that does this mean if someone manufactures silencers in the state of Florida then you will no longer have to pay the tax or register it? If that is true then is there anyone that manufactures them here?
I am a littly iffy on the laws but can anyone enlighten me. Also is there a specific state law that requires silencers to be registered federally? Again I am a little iffy on the laws (have been meaning to read over them but just haven't had the time) regarding the silencers and do know that the only thing exempt from the above law is the following:
(5) EXCEPTIONS.–This section does not apply to:
(a) A firearm that cannot be carried and used by one person.
(b) A firearm that has a bore diameter greater than 1 1/2 inches and that uses smokeless powder, rather than black powder, as a propellant.
(c) Ammunition with a projectile that explodes using an explosion of chemical energy after the projectile leaves the firearm.
(d) A firearm that discharges two or more projectiles with one activation of the trigger or other firing device.
Would love to get a silencer and this would make it a lot more attainable for me.
anthony20031
07-13-2009, 07:27 PM
hmmm just skimmed through the laws and seems there is a state law that would supercede this law declaring silencers as contraband and requiring registration with federal authorities. So u would still require the registration etc correct?
spikes40
07-13-2009, 07:38 PM
I will defer to our Gun terminology officer SS1.. I believe SUPRESSOR would be in effect here :raspberry:
I have heard the same about manf. in state being more lax but dont know of any official ruling
anthony20031
07-13-2009, 07:47 PM
I will defer to our Gun terminology officer SS1.. I believe SUPRESSOR would be in effect here :raspberry:
Oops my bad....got me on that one
Don't know if it applies to suppressors. They seem to make sure it doesn't apply to select fire firearms. I know of no suppressor mfgs in FL. I think SWR was in FL but I'm pretty sure they are no longer. AAC and Gemtech are not. Surefire, YHM, Coastal are not as well. Once a year, Small Arms Review publishes a directory for class 3 mfgs by State. I'll try to find a back issue and look, but I think I would have recalled at least one. Knights Armament makes them for the military, but I don't think I've seen one for the general public.
The state give up charging you for something? Come on now, lets get real.
anthony20031
07-14-2009, 09:00 AM
The state give up charging you for something? Come on now, lets get real.
Good point
Fucking politicians are crooks. Without them we wouldn't be in the shit hole we are now.
My wife got an $80 ticket for a non-working headlight yesterday. $80 F'n dollars! WTF is up with the system?
They will get there money one way or another.
anthony20031
07-14-2009, 10:25 AM
Yh and they just aren't giving out warnings any more. They use to for things like that and give you time to fix it. If you were pulled over for the same thing shortly afterward then they would ticket you. Not anymore...trying to get the citizens to pay for counties poor planning and budget deficits. I feel that most people the last 10 years or so (including gov'ts) thought during the good years we had they could just borrow and run up deficits, not put any money away for rainy days etc and now it has come to bite them in the ass. So now when something like this hits, the citizens get hit twice, once because of the job loss etc and then again by the gov't trying to solve their budget issues. Pretty sickening the way the government is being handled. They are so inefficient it will only get worse under Obama and his socialist views. God I hate politics and politicians
Secpro
07-14-2009, 11:25 AM
They will get there money one way or another.
They sure will! There was a recent increase in Boca as well in regards to traffic citations. Everything is pretty much going while our finances stay the same or dwindle at the hands of screwed up politicians and the ever so rising cost of living.
BTW, back to topic, I saw the entire proposed bill on another gun forum and someone highlighted a section where they define accessories and noise suppressors was indentified as an accessory. Cool beans if it gets passed, but the downside is if you ever have to move out of FL, you have to give it up as it isn't a properly registered NFA item.
ETA: link to the proposed bill. The definitions specific to suppressors is on page 4 or 790.34 (3)(c)
http://www.myfloridahouse.gov/Sections/Documents/loaddoc.aspx?FileName=_h0021__.xml&DocumentType=Bill&BillNumber=0021&Session=2010
spikes40
07-14-2009, 03:13 PM
let hope it passes.. i need 2 more at least
Satan_3pc
07-14-2009, 03:54 PM
Fucking politicians are crooks. Without them we wouldn't be in the shit hole we are now.Yes, I can hear them now...
"Any objections? Yes, this new bill would lose us money. Good point. We'll rewrite it so suppressors are more acquirable but higher taxed!"
Yes, I can hear them now...
"Any objections? Yes, this new bill would lose us money. Good point. We'll rewrite it so suppressors are more acquirable but higher taxed!"
I knew I could count on you to post on this topic.
anthony20031
07-14-2009, 04:30 PM
BTW, back to topic, I saw the entire proposed bill on another gun forum and someone highlighted a section where they define accessories and noise suppressors was indentified as an accessory. Cool beans if it gets passed, but the downside is if you ever have to move out of FL, you have to give it up as it isn't a properly registered NFA item.
ETA: link to the proposed bill. The definitions specific to suppressors is on page 4 or 790.34 (3)(c)
http://www.myfloridahouse.gov/Sections/Documents/loaddoc.aspx?FileName=_h0021__.xml&DocumentType=Bill&BillNumber=0021&Session=2010
Well the problem is going to be that this new law states that it wouldn't be subjected to the registering and the tax but only if it is manufactured in the state of florida but I don't think anyone manufactures them here correct?
spikes40
07-14-2009, 04:51 PM
but if the law passes..i bet some of the big ones will open branch plants here
anthony20031
07-14-2009, 04:59 PM
but if the law passes..i bet some of the big ones will open branch plants here
Good point and that would be awesome...sucks you would also have to wait til November of 2010. But it's better than what we have now
Satan_3pc
07-15-2009, 02:07 AM
I knew I could count on you to post on this topic. Oh yes. You know how I hate government and politicians. But pigs fly! For tomorrow I send out my concealed weapons permit package! Why? Because if my conspiracy theories come true, I will be in the woods with my AR15 and my prints won't be of any use anyways.
JaxChris
07-15-2009, 10:04 AM
If the state isn't planning to pull a bait-n-switch on us so they can tax us on firearms like a pimp after a ho, then this could just be the state trying to lure new industry to Florida. After all, there is a ton of firearm related transactions going on right now. Companies are getting rich and have the money to expand or relocate soon.
If they come here they will be able to offer more products direct to Floridians that they normally can't ship (more sales) and they can set up shop here and have protection from being taxed on the raw materials imported in order to do business, since Florida doesn't have anything but limestone in the ground. I could imagine a couple companies coming here in a heartbeat.
If they do pull a fast one, there will be about a 6-month hole before the following legislative session passes a law taxing in-state weapons... all in-state weapons. This means we'll end up paying a 100$ fee to the state for every complete weapon.
But, during this hole, I would be more interested in SBR's and other DD's. I may be reading all of this wrong, but I should be able to purchase short barrels and be able to use them without fear of the ATF barging down my door. But I'm betting anything with a "Made in Florida" stamping will be scrutinized by any ATF agent outside of Florida. This could be bad for shops like Kel-Tec.
Also, for those not familiar with legalese, when it says 1 1/2 inch in diameter they mean .50 caliber. They mean to say one-half inch. That's a typo that will have to be fixed. They can write "one-half inch" or "one 1/2 inch", but not the way it is currently written.
I see that full auto is still a no-no, but atleast we would get armor-piercing rounds (sorry Doug). Incendiary and tracer (since it is a chemical energy release) are both illegal. I'll give up tracers in order to have ammo with real punch and cheaper ammo at that. You know if Florida becomes a firearms and munitions powerhouse we'll enjoy some pretty good at-home discounts.
Fuck, if a large company does move down here to set up a big base I'll go be their IT slave immediately. I'd finally enjoy an employee discount I would use! I'd even offer to do overtime on the shop floor for the experience.
Ok, now I'm just getting ahead of myself and dreaming. Time to goto bed and enjoy this wonderful dream and hope for the best. =)
Satan_3pc
07-15-2009, 10:41 AM
If this happens I am getting a surefire suppressor for my AR15, and I might even have to just buy USP just to get the suppressor!
JaxChris
07-16-2009, 09:08 AM
You won't be able to get a Surefire, they're not made in Florida. You could get a Knight's Armament suppressor for the .45 (generic .45 like the XD/Glock and they make a USP specific model). Plus they have one of the shortest length M16 suppressors available.
Knight's makes really good AR-15 replacement/upgrade parts. I'm considering their ambi mag release and the combat trigger guard.
Check out their weapon system and tell me it doesn't mean business. =)
http://www.knightarmco.com/modular_accessories.html
it doesn't mean business.
damn... now I want one.. I want one
Satan_3pc
07-16-2009, 01:11 PM
How much for the grenade launcher attachment? Might come in handy for the zombies.
Just saying....
How much for the grenade launcher attachment? Might come in handy for the zombies.
Just saying....
:+1: want one too!!!
how much would the grenades cost?
JaxChris
07-16-2009, 05:45 PM
Lino, I don't think you could afford the grenades. Each grenade would require a 200$ tax stamp and would have to have a unique serial number for tracking.
Cris, figures you would be the ass. =)
And I think the MasterKey from Knight's is a great idea. =)
Lino, I don't think you could afford the grenades. Each grenade would require a 200$ tax stamp and would have to have a unique serial number for tracking.
shit... Ill take 10 grenades !!!
I bet in Miami.. you can get the grenades right out of the back of the truck..
JaxChris
07-16-2009, 06:49 PM
You'd have to talk to Phil about all that. I'm fine with gas/smoke rounds and a 37mm launcher. But the Masterkey with a breaching muzzle would be great for CQB and building clearing.
spikes40
07-16-2009, 07:10 PM
i believe master key would be a 5.00 AOW registration
JaxChris
07-16-2009, 10:52 PM
I believe you are correct. It is the same as the 37mm launcher and the Serbu Super Shorty as far as the classification it meets. But if they get stamped "Made In Florida", there would be no registration or tax stamp required as long as the weapon remained in Florida. =)
are there any updates on this passing or not?
They have bigger fish to fry right now.
JaxChris
12-02-2009, 09:08 AM
are there any updates on this passing or not?
It's on the schedule for a vote in 2010, always has been. There wasn't plans to vote on it earlier. And with the White House not jumping to ban weapons or ammunition, this bill won't be rushed and instead will probably sit until the right time.
Please continue to email your state senators and the governors office to remind them we want this bill passed this year BEFORE the Fed takes any illegal actions to remove our 2nd amendment rights.
Secpro
02-22-2010, 12:31 PM
So the bill is halted for now, cool!
C3P0, how would one get a can for an AR and what's the price tag, models etc? Been thinking about getting one for years but after checking out Ben's(Boresight) over the weekend I think I may actually buy one some time soon.
anthony20031
02-22-2010, 12:36 PM
I could be corrected but there are two ways to get approved. Either form a trust (the trust will own the silencer) or you can get the Chief of Police (I think you can also get like a judge or something but I am not completely clear on it) sign off a form. Almost always people must go the way of the trust for which you can hire an attorney or find someone that already has one and is kind enough for you to copy it and just replace their trust name with your own. Then you need to pay for a tax stamp that costs $200 on top of the silencer. I have looked into it and was about to before some other costs kind of prohibited me from doing so. That is kind of the general process. Don't have the specifics such as form numbers etc.
Secpro
02-22-2010, 12:48 PM
Phil what do you think about the surpressors on impact guns? Can you order one online and have it delivered to say Guntech? Can you put one on a barrel that is not threaded?
http://www.impactguns.com/store/silencers.html
spikes40
02-22-2010, 01:44 PM
you would A) need a threaded barrel or a 3 lug attachement B) buying out of stat would be a 2 transfer process as the suppressor would need to go from dealer... to local dealer...then local dealer to you... If you want a can...talk to andy at KGB
Secpro
02-22-2010, 01:55 PM
What be it the price on one before transfer fees etc?
spikes40
02-22-2010, 02:11 PM
What be it the price on one before transfer fees etc?
they really range depending on make and model... I paid just under 700.00 for my SWR Trident 9 before fees
Secpro
02-22-2010, 02:16 PM
they really range depending on make and model... I paid just under 700.00 for my SWR Trident 9 before fees
Not bad! I must look into this.
Yeah, the prices vary greatly. An out of state dealer to in-state dealer transfer takes some more time. Even tho their form is faxed to the ATF, it can take a month or so to process. You can also potentially save a little money with sales tax if you find the right deal if you don't mind the wait. The thing with suppressors is that they are not made to order. Most companies will make batches in caliber. There are times your wait from the factory for a non-stock item can take several months. It's always good to buy one that is in stock. Guntech is not a Class 3 SOT, you will have to use the like of either KGB, Lee's Pawn, Boresight Solutions, etc.
Secpro
02-22-2010, 04:50 PM
Yeah, the prices vary greatly. An out of state dealer to in-state dealer transfer takes some more time. Even tho their form is faxed to the ATF, it can take a month or so to process. You can also potentially save a little money with sales tax if you find the right deal if you don't mind the wait. The thing with suppressors is that they are not made to order. Most companies will make batches in caliber. There are times your wait from the factory for a non-stock item can take several months. It's always good to buy one that is in stock. Guntech is not a Class 3 SOT, you will have to use the like of either KGB, Lee's Pawn, Boresight Solutions, etc.
I was chatting with Ben a little about them over the weekend while checking out some of his girls. Cool! I'll do some further digging and see what's what.