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Cris
07-23-2009, 03:51 PM
A friend of mine posted this on my facebook page today. Gotta love this guy. He always speaks his mind.

YouTube - Texas Monthly Talks TED NUGENT (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCHtw6WbbnM&feature=player_embedded)

JaxChris
07-23-2009, 10:35 PM
"I don't like repeat offenders, I like dead offenders."

Nice quote. Yes, the 2nd Amendment should be our concealed weapons permit - actually it should be an open carry permit for defensive weapons. But since it only applies to law-abiding citizens there still has to be a CWP process for providing proof to those citizens that they can show authorities after they have had to use their weapon for legitimate reasons.

But I do agree that all violent offenders should be free game to shoot. I also believe that if everyone was armed you wouldn't see the amount of forcible felonies you do today. Why would someone go rob a business if they're just going to end up out-gunned by their potential victims? They wouldn't.

If some American's decided to start their own town nowadays where such things were allowed they would most likely be branded domestic terrorists by the FBI or ATF somehow just to prevent them from giving others ideas. It is pretty backwards to say American's are free - but only if they follow these 3 billion rules and know them by heart, because ignorance is not acceptable to the government (unless they made the mistake).

Dan
07-24-2009, 12:12 AM
Uncle Ted knows his stuff. I couldnt agree more with him. No one should be allowed to take away the right of a law abiding person to defend them self. Uncle Ted for President!!

spikes40
07-24-2009, 07:51 AM
as always ted is right on point...but maybe im weird =)

Cris
07-24-2009, 09:13 AM
as always ted is right on point...but maybe im weird =)


:+1:

lino
07-24-2009, 04:52 PM
wango tango..... :shootleft:

anthony20031
07-24-2009, 07:50 PM
Definitely agree with him as does my wife who watched also lol

RCSRT8
07-26-2009, 12:05 AM
always great to hear Ted Nugent, but this wasnt one of his rants, hes much better when you get some pussy crying about gun rights in front of him. Long live Ted Nugent.

ADC817
07-26-2009, 02:14 AM
My feelings exactly

The only problem is...Some areas of this country would turn into the wild west...This happened 10 days ago a few towns away from where I stay...


http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local&id=6917952

Dan
07-26-2009, 09:38 AM
My feelings exactly

The only problem is...Some areas of this country would turn into the wild west...This happened 10 days ago a few towns away from where I stay...


http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local&id=6917952


I dont think anyone here is saying to give criminals firearms. I think the message is that law abiding citizens should have a right to defend themselves from scumbags like the ones in the story you posted.

For a little clarity on the story for those that dont know. If the earth was a person, Jersey City NJ is where God would put the enema. It is a shit hole to say the least. Jersey City, Newark, Trenton....all terrible. To live there you should be issued body armor. Trenton is home to many terrorist cells, Newark is home to an obscene amount of crime (voted to have the highest murder rate a few years ago), and Jersey City is just as bad as the others. That whole area should be nuked.

Cris
07-26-2009, 10:56 AM
Jersey is where they also just had that huge raid for all kinds of public officials and rabbi's.

ADC817
07-26-2009, 10:36 PM
Every citizen should have the absolute right to protect themself at any cost to me, but the prob is who do u know to be a law abiding citizen....Jus because there record is clean don't mean there law abiding....

I guess that kinda rolls down to the other topic posted of getting a national gun control...What works everywhere else dont work in the big cities...and thas why A New
York State Permit is not good in NYC and vice versa....

lol...and u obviosuly cant go round nukin cities even though and doesnt seem like a bad idea...Especially for Newark...To me it is no doubt the most disgusting city from border to border(not like anywhere else where it has its nice sections...absolutly nothing)...been in there way to many times, but Jersey City is not a Shit hole

ADC817
07-26-2009, 10:40 PM
Jersey is where they also just had that huge raid for all kinds of public officials and rabbi's.

yeah lmfao I love it...They arrested some Rabbi's for money laundering...In brooklyn another rabbi got caught up in Organ transplants...

Someone would go to him for say a Kindey for $160,000...Would take ur blood sample go to say Israel find a matching blood type and fly them back in for operation

Secpro
07-27-2009, 08:53 AM
I dont think anyone here is saying to give criminals firearms. I think the message is that law abiding citizens should have a right to defend themselves from scumbags like the ones in the story you posted.

For a little clarity on the story for those that dont know. If the earth was a person, Jersey City NJ is where God would put the enema. It is a shit hole to say the least. Jersey City, Newark, Trenton....all terrible. To live there you should be issued body armor. Trenton is home to many terrorist cells, Newark is home to an obscene amount of crime (voted to have the highest murder rate a few years ago), and Jersey City is just as bad as the others. That whole area should be nuked.

Hey now! Newark doesn't have the highest murder rate now, it just has the highest car theft rate.:raspberry:
Trenton oh memories! I remember when Jersey wasn't that fucking bad! :nunu:

Secpro
07-27-2009, 08:56 AM
My feelings exactly

The only problem is...Some areas of this country would turn into the wild west...This happened 10 days ago a few towns away from where I stay...


http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local&id=6917952

Home sweet home! The good old days where murder and police sirens were a god damn norm. Wake up to gun shots early in the morning and go to sleep to that shit at night. :bolt:
Now Cris why does my brother want me to move back home now? To a place where it's a bitch to carry my gun legally and everyone else has one not worrying about the law and the repricussions.:jerkit: :suicide1:

Cris
07-27-2009, 09:01 AM
Your brother needs to come down here. I think he knows that now after seeing collections.

Secpro
07-27-2009, 09:07 AM
Your brother needs to come down here. I think he knows that now after seeing collections.

I'm telling you! Fucker is crazy wanting me to take my ass back up there. He has thought about taking the trip to Fl permanently, but isn't sold yet.

Cris
07-27-2009, 09:18 AM
If he does what you do he will be in good shape, after all he is bigger than you.

Secpro
07-27-2009, 09:41 AM
If he does what you do he will be in good shape, after all he is bigger than you.

Well that much we know! He' jsut loves his set up I guess.

ss1
07-27-2009, 11:53 AM
Just FYI, one of those 5 officers died from his injuries. While it is a terrible loss, at least the scumbags are dead, as NJ doesn't have capital punishment anymore. The basic premise has always been that criminals can always find firearms as it is many times a crucial tool for their "career". Making it harder for them to get firearms at the expense of making it harder for law abiding citizens to get them has always been the platform for the anti's. Well, there's no evidence to show that these measures work, as the bad guys always seem to get a weapon in places where the anti gun measures are the most extreme.

JaxChris
07-27-2009, 12:54 PM
SecPro, is that an XD-9 I see in your new avatar?

Cris
07-27-2009, 12:56 PM
Yep, that is his duty weapon.

Secpro
07-27-2009, 12:58 PM
SecPro, is that an XD-9 I see in your new avatar?

4 shizzle Dizzle! LOL
Been working an Dade recently so I've been working on my ghetto talk to deal with all the scumbags. lol

Yessir that would be my duty pistola. Hasn't failed me yet! She's been through some rough times, but is still kicking strong.

JaxChris
07-27-2009, 01:01 PM
So you're not man enough for the XD-45 huh?

Secpro
07-27-2009, 01:06 PM
So you're not man enough for the XD-45 huh?

Actually if you look at my other pics I had a XD 45, but i wasn't doing much with. About 3 days before I joined this board I sold it for $300 with an extra mag. Plus we are only legally allowed to carry a 9mm till the change the god damn laws around here.
We have been involved in way to many shooting incidents where these fuckers get shot by us and live. One guy took 7 and lived another fool took more than that plus one in the god damn kneck and fucking walked away like nothing happened.:confused:

Cris
07-27-2009, 01:09 PM
I'm still pissed on missing out on that XD-45

Secpro
07-27-2009, 01:10 PM
I'm still pissed on missing out on that XD-45

Hey if I would of know about this board prior to or knew any of you guys then it would of been a steal for ya. My apologise! Hey next time I'm offing something you guys get first dibs though.

doug5336
07-27-2009, 04:49 PM
Currently have two perps in custody at an area hospital. One perp took multiple shots ( I believe 5 or 6) but yet, hit no vital areas. The other one got hit twice by an officer's AR-15, once in the arm, and once in the leg. Sometimes, I seem to think that some of these shitbags are immortal.

JaxChris
07-27-2009, 08:33 PM
Only time you'll see a bad guy dead from a single GSW at a mildly vital area of the body is with a .45 caliber. A 9mm round doesn't do shit to a person. Why do you think SWAT and SEALS always leave the MP5 on full auto? Because it takes 5-10 tight shots to put a fucker down with the damn thing.

A 5.56 is also a round that was designed to wound and disable the target - not kill (unless used by a sniper of course). There is no expansion in 5.56 or 7.62 that would cause enough damage on its own to kill. You have to hit vital areas to actually kill someone. Always aiming for the torso is common sense because that is were so many organs are and it's the fattest target on the body.

If you tear the stomach open they are dead in 5-10 minutes and paramedics are unlikely to save them. The stomach acid will eat soft tissue and the other organs from the outside-in.

Hell, you can be shot threw the lung and have it collapse on you and still be able to function in combat. Most times you can re-inflate a lung with a simple balloon and put padding on top of the entry and/or exit wound.

Only guaranteed kill shot is through the middle of the head and making brains come out of the skull. Anything else with a small arms cartridge is potential and surprisingly survivable.

Doug, I'm sure you've seen how many hit a druggie takes before going down. The more alcohol, meth, or even caffeine in a persons system the less prone they are to shock from receiving a GSW. I surely hope you're allowed to carry a 45 as your duty weapon.

SecPro, you're still a bastard for not meeting us before you sold that XD-45.

Cris, it would've been mine bitch - back off! =)

Satan_3pc
07-27-2009, 10:50 PM
'tis true what Jax says. I believe that's why Delta Force had the .458 SOCOM rounds made for the AR15 platform made. On a special forces mission you want one hit kills. :)

doug5336
07-28-2009, 12:07 AM
Only time you'll see a bad guy dead from a single GSW at a mildly vital area of the body is with a .45 caliber. A 9mm round doesn't do shit to a person. Why do you think SWAT and SEALS always leave the MP5 on full auto? Because it takes 5-10 tight shots to put a fucker down with the damn thing.

A 5.56 is also a round that was designed to wound and disable the target - not kill (unless used by a sniper of course). There is no expansion in 5.56 or 7.62 that would cause enough damage on its own to kill. You have to hit vital areas to actually kill someone. Always aiming for the torso is common sense because that is were so many organs are and it's the fattest target on the body.

If you tear the stomach open they are dead in 5-10 minutes and paramedics are unlikely to save them. The stomach acid will eat soft tissue and the other organs from the outside-in.

Hell, you can be shot threw the lung and have it collapse on you and still be able to function in combat. Most times you can re-inflate a lung with a simple balloon and put padding on top of the entry and/or exit wound.

Only guaranteed kill shot is through the middle of the head and making brains come out of the skull. Anything else with a small arms cartridge is potential and surprisingly survivable.

Doug, I'm sure you've seen how many hit a druggie takes before going down. The more alcohol, meth, or even caffeine in a persons system the less prone they are to shock from receiving a GSW. I surely hope you're allowed to carry a 45 as your duty weapon.

SecPro, you're still a bastard for not meeting us before you sold that XD-45.

Cris, it would've been mine bitch - back off! =)

I use to carry a Sig P220 as my duty weapon. Now, I carry a Glock 23 (40 cal). Off duty, I carry a Glock 30 (.45)

Secpro
07-28-2009, 07:38 AM
I use to carry a Sig P220 as my duty weapon. Now, I carry a Glock 23 (40 cal). Off duty, I carry a Glock 30 (.45)

.45 seems to be the norm for those in the know of how these BGs operate. I wish I could carry a G23 or any kind of damn .40 for duty. I'll even go so far as to carry a piece of shit high point as long as it's .40 or .45
Doug I'm jealous!:fu:

Cris
07-28-2009, 07:40 AM
What about back up Secpro?

Secpro
07-28-2009, 07:58 AM
What about back up Secpro?

Currently I don't have one! I've been looking at a .38 for back up. IPS out in Hollywood has a few for under $200. I figure you can't go wrong with some semi-wadcutters.

Cris
07-28-2009, 08:08 AM
What the hell are they for that kind of money?

Secpro
07-28-2009, 08:21 AM
What the hell are they for that kind of money?

Dude! Most of there guns apparently run around $200 or so. Alot are used LE guns with little or no abuse. It works perfectly for us because every time we're involved in a shooting incident we get our guns taken away and go there and grab something for low cost. We have a rule about working with your best weapon, DON'T.

JaxChris
07-28-2009, 12:18 PM
Hi Points only cost 150-180$ bucks. They're pieces of shit that definitely require a full 500 round break-in before you can count on it going bang every time you need it to.

If you want something more reliable for just a little more money you should go with the Kel-Tec's. Or you can go with Ruger and get the SR9 for 350$ and an LCP as your BUG for 250$. The Kel-Tec's have a soft polymer though, so don't run +P ammo through them.

Secpro
07-28-2009, 01:49 PM
Hi Points only cost 150-180$ bucks. They're pieces of shit that definitely require a full 500 round break-in before you can count on it going bang every time you need it to.

If you want something more reliable for just a little more money you should go with the Kel-Tec's. Or you can go with Ruger and get the SR9 for 350$ and an LCP as your BUG for 250$. The Kel-Tec's have a soft polymer though, so don't run +P ammo through them.

I know high point sucks ass believe me. Most of my guys have Kel-Tec's as BUGs. The LCP is hard to find, not to say I've really put much effort into looking and i like the SR9 a team member just lost his in Dade. That was his duty weapon.

anthony20031
07-28-2009, 03:00 PM
I got the SR9 and if your ever around at the range when I am, your more than welcome to put it through it's paces (Just wouldn't suggest shooting Stone Hart through it lol) Still breaking it in though. Only about 200 rounds through it and I've been told the trigger etc start to really smooth out and feel good when you get to around 400-500. Also can do a little work on it and heard it works wonders on the trigger. Probably need to have that done to mine

JaxChris
07-28-2009, 06:00 PM
Really the SR9 needs that much break in? The Ruger LCP requires almost none (50-100 rounds).

anthony20031
07-28-2009, 06:39 PM
yh that is what i have read. The trigger was pretty rough when I first got it. I do have to admit that with the about 200 rounds I have put through it it has smoothed considerable. I have been told to bring it somewhere for a light sanding and that it will work wonders for it. I am happy where it is at now so I guess that the 400-500 mark is a little aggressive but that is what I have heard on average around other sites etc. I guess I would say mine is pretty well broken in although the mag release is a little stickier than I would like but other than that and the FTEs from the Stone Hart, I am very happy especially considering the price.

Satan_3pc
07-28-2009, 11:38 PM
I got the SR9 and if your ever around at the range when I am, your more than welcome to put it through it's paces (Just wouldn't suggest shooting Stone Hart through it lol) Still breaking it in though. Only about 200 rounds through it and I've been told the trigger etc start to really smooth out and feel good when you get to around 400-500. Also can do a little work on it and heard it works wonders on the trigger. Probably need to have that done to mineI've heard great things about the SR9, but it just looks kind of like a piece of shit, don't you think?

Cris
07-29-2009, 07:41 AM
yh that is what i have read. The trigger was pretty rough when I first got it. I do have to admit that with the about 200 rounds I have put through it it has smoothed considerable. I have been told to bring it somewhere for a light sanding and that it will work wonders for it. I am happy where it is at now so I guess that the 400-500 mark is a little aggressive but that is what I have heard on average around other sites etc. I guess I would say mine is pretty well broken in although the mag release is a little stickier than I would like but other than that and the FTEs from the Stone Hart, I am very happy especially considering the price.


I believe polishing is what you are looking to get done not sanding. I am sure it shouldn't be too hard to work. Then again I have never disassembled a SR9 before. I held one functioned it and that was enough for me and I hung it back up on the rack.

anthony20031
07-29-2009, 09:51 AM
I've heard great things about the SR9, but it just looks kind of like a piece of shit, don't you think?

Hey you calling my gun a piece of shit? I like it. It's extremely thin and feels comfortable in my hand.

Cris
07-29-2009, 09:57 AM
Hey you calling my gun a piece of shit? I like it. It's extremely thin and feels comfortable in my hand.


LOL, I was waiting for it.

Satan_3pc
07-29-2009, 10:32 AM
:raspberry:

ss1
07-29-2009, 01:18 PM
I think Ruger had the problem of building a semi-auto platform to replace their P series pistols which were never really well embraced due to design and quality issues. Ruger has the ability to make quality firearms and the SR-9 for all intents and purposes is leaps and bounds better than the P series it replaced. Unfortunately, IMHO and probably a bunch more peeps feel the same way, the SR-9 is just not a good looking firearm. The FN FNP pistols share the same problem. Glocks are ugly, but at least they look tactical. Maybe it's as simple as just having a black slide.

Satan_3pc
07-29-2009, 03:00 PM
I like the look of the Glock. It's not a chrome 1911, but who wants that anyways? I like black tactical guns, not shining whore guns.

anthony20031
07-30-2009, 09:02 AM
Well the SR9 does come in all black as well as OD Green (the polymer parts). I like the look of the SR9. I hate the look of Glocks to be honest. I think they are too square if that makes sense. My favorite is the SIG, Beretta and the 1911. The 1911 will most likely be my next pistol

Cris
07-30-2009, 09:35 AM
I think Glock's look like shit. I think the same about the SR9 though also.

Secpro
07-30-2009, 09:39 AM
I think Glock's look like shit. I think the same about the SR9 though also.

Glocks are some very ugly ass guns, and the SR9 is a ugly bitch to.
My thing though is the fact that it all does the trick. As long as I shoot straighter than my enemy whos is trying to kill me, I don't give a damn how ugly my weapon is. Just as long as it goes bang each time I pull the trigger and send rounds down range!

anthony20031
07-30-2009, 09:54 AM
Well I don't think the SR9 is the best looking by far but functionality is key. It has the high capacity but yet easier to conceal carry than most full sized pistols...so hate all you want!!!! just don't hide behind me when you run out of rounds :raspberry: :slapshoot:

Cris
07-30-2009, 09:57 AM
Well I don't think the SR9 is the best looking by far but functionality is key. It has the high capacity but yet easier to conceal carry than most full sized pistols...so hate all you want!!!! just don't hide behind me when you run out of rounds :raspberry: :slapshoot:

I will refer to my previous comment. I have my Ruger LCP with one round in the chamber. I am all good to go, don't even need the magazine, extra weight cut right off there.

Secpro
07-30-2009, 10:00 AM
I will refer to my previous comment. I have my Ruger LCP with one round in the chamber. I am all good to go, don't even need the magazine, extra weight cut right off there.

You're an ass! I take it ammo is still scarce?

anthony20031
07-30-2009, 10:02 AM
Lol

Secpro
07-30-2009, 10:03 AM
Well I don't think the SR9 is the best looking by far but functionality is key. It has the high capacity but yet easier to conceal carry than most full sized pistols...so hate all you want!!!! just don't hide behind me when you run out of rounds :raspberry: :slapshoot:

I'm good to go with ammo believe me! I carry an XD with two extra mags on my belt and also another extra I can put on if needed.
Run out I think not!

Plus if I need anything more than my 17 rounds I'm going to my damn trunk and we're going to have a stand off until LEOs show up or something.

Cris
07-30-2009, 10:05 AM
You're an ass! I take it ammo is still scarce?


Yeah a little scarce. I just got another box of .380 corbon the other day. This is why I roll with one round. LOL!! J/K. I carry an extra mag with that gun.

JaxChris
07-31-2009, 09:19 AM
SecPro, what you mean you're going to your trunk? You hiding an SBR in there? That would be some funny shit. You know when the cops roll up and see you holding one they're going to shoot you first and ask questions later. hahaha

Secpro
07-31-2009, 09:22 AM
SecPro, what you mean you're going to your trunk? You hiding an SBR in there? That would be some funny shit. You know when the cops roll up and see you holding one they're going to shoot you first and ask questions later. hahaha

That's not funny!
When at work I keep my shotgun in the trunk. All the BG's have Ak's so we need something to aid us in our fight since the state sais we can't use AR's on a regular basis.

JaxChris
07-31-2009, 10:26 AM
WHAT?!?! You can't have AR's for defense?

Now I'm curious, do you do specialized security or just armored car work? The impression I had is that you do armed security detail for VIP and/or packages. I would feel extremely vulnerable doing that kind of work without an SBR. For armored car I could see pistol and "haul ass back into the truck" as being an acceptable SOP since armored cars are pretty damn secure nowadays.

Btw, what was the original topic again? Oh yea, Ted Nugent, hell this conversation falls under him. =)

Secpro
07-31-2009, 10:34 AM
WHAT?!?! You can't have AR's for defense?

Now I'm curious, do you do specialized security or just armored car work? The impression I had is that you do armed security detail for VIP and/or packages. I would feel extremely vulnerable doing that kind of work without an SBR. For armored car I could see pistol and "haul ass back into the truck" as being an acceptable SOP since armored cars are pretty damn secure nowadays.

Btw, what was the original topic again? Oh yea, Ted Nugent, hell this conversation falls under him. =)

I've never done armored car work. I do specialized security in high threat enviroments such as Dade county, Opa-Locka, to Palm Beach County etc hence why all BGs have AKs.
Believe me vulnerable is an understatement! All Security in Fl is governed by the state and they pretty much tell you what you can carry, and when. It's all a load of BS and theres no way around it.
The shyt we have to go through on a regular basis is a bitch and we don't get any back from the local PD or two words from the state from the state except maybe a fine or some shit. Not to say that we're asking, but when shit hits the fan it's nice to know that while you're shooting shit the locals are on your side and not treating you like shit thinking you're pretending to be a damn LEO and the state is going to at least offer some kind of something.
Then there's the point of the dozen or so licenses you need before you can even begin to get shit done.

JaxChris
07-31-2009, 10:50 AM
So what brand of body armor do you wear? Do you make do with Class IIIA and a tac vest or do you suffer through the heat with Class III and thick plate carrier vest?

Secpro
07-31-2009, 11:44 AM
Currently wear an Affinity IIIA from First Choice armor. Working on getting some 10x12 plates to go with my plate carrier I have from First Choice also. Cant find a decent price on some good plates yet.

Satan_3pc
07-31-2009, 11:51 AM
That sounds fun. I wanna work with you.

Secpro
07-31-2009, 12:10 PM
That sounds fun. I wanna work with you.

If you gotta a strong sense of situational awareness; a tactical mindset; some tac-gear; are willing to travel all over the place and don't mind stupid and criminals with guns bigger than yours and shoot often, then we could possibly work something out.
Oh and not to mention the rough estimate of $500 to get all of your license.

JaxChris
07-31-2009, 12:29 PM
Matt, you might want to find out what the pay is like before you ask anything else. A job like that requires putting a value on your own life. =)

Secpro
07-31-2009, 12:32 PM
Matt, you might want to find out what the pay is like before you ask anything else. A job like that requires putting a value on your own life. =)

Not enough!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Satan_3pc
07-31-2009, 01:32 PM
lol I was just saying. A chance to use tactical gear and kill bad guys sounds fun.

Secpro
07-31-2009, 02:49 PM
lol I was just saying. A chance to use tactical gear and kill bad guys sounds fun.

On the outs it looks great, but on the inside there's alot of bullshit to worry about. There's no union or anything like LEOs have, theres no back up; if you get killed or hurt that's all on you; there's no help if you kill a BG and his come back to shoot you up. You need to learn to drive evasively. Everyon is a BG because you don't know who they know and or out to get you because of where you work or the reputation you hold for putting a hurt locker on BGs.
"That's that nigga right there that shot Lok, Fool!" "Where the gun at?"
It's all cool to wear tac-gear and get at the BGs, but just remember there are no rules to this shit and you aren't LE, which means you have little or no protection.
When you get pulled over for evasive driving coming back from a detail trying to avoid a BG from following you home FHP or the local LEO really does not want to here your story.
Even I knew what I was getting into but it amazed the amount of support we don't have.

Chris
07-31-2009, 05:32 PM
Only time you'll see a bad guy dead from a single GSW at a mildly vital area of the body is with a .45 caliber. A 9mm round doesn't do shit to a person. Why do you think SWAT and SEALS always leave the MP5 on full auto? Because it takes 5-10 tight shots to put a fucker down with the damn thing.

A 5.56 is also a round that was designed to wound and disable the target - not kill (unless used by a sniper of course). There is no expansion in 5.56 or 7.62 that would cause enough damage on its own to kill. You have to hit vital areas to actually kill someone. Always aiming for the torso is common sense because that is were so many organs are and it's the fattest target on the body.

If you tear the stomach open they are dead in 5-10 minutes and paramedics are unlikely to save them. The stomach acid will eat soft tissue and the other organs from the outside-in.

Hell, you can be shot threw the lung and have it collapse on you and still be able to function in combat. Most times you can re-inflate a lung with a simple balloon and put padding on top of the entry and/or exit wound.

Only guaranteed kill shot is through the middle of the head and making brains come out of the skull. Anything else with a small arms cartridge is potential and surprisingly survivable.

Doug, I'm sure you've seen how many hit a druggie takes before going down. The more alcohol, meth, or even caffeine in a persons system the less prone they are to shock from receiving a GSW. I surely hope you're allowed to carry a 45 as your duty weapon.

SecPro, you're still a bastard for not meeting us before you sold that XD-45.

Cris, it would've been mine bitch - back off! =)

:slapshoot:

doug5336
07-31-2009, 07:13 PM
On the outs it looks great, but on the inside there's alot of bullshit to worry about. There's no union or anything like LEOs have, theres no back up; if you get killed or hurt that's all on you; there's no help if you kill a BG and his come back to shoot you up. You need to learn to drive evasively. Everyon is a BG because you don't know who they know and or out to get you because of where you work or the reputation you hold for putting a hurt locker on BGs.
"That's that nigga right there that shot Lok, Fool!" "Where the gun at?"
It's all cool to wear tac-gear and get at the BGs, but just remember there are no rules to this shit and you aren't LE, which means you have little or no protection.
When you get pulled over for evasive driving coming back from a detail trying to avoid a BG from following you home FHP or the local LEO really does not want to here your story.
Even I knew what I was getting into but it amazed the amount of support we don't have.

Where does all of this happen?? Baghdad???

JaxChris
07-31-2009, 08:42 PM
Where does all of this happen?? Baghdad???

I was wondering the same thing. Sounds like he's some Blackwater contractor in Kandahar protecting a diplomat.

Secpro
08-03-2009, 07:30 AM
Where does all of this happen?? Baghdad???

Shyt I wish! It all happens in fucking Miami and the shitty parts of Palm Beach. If you ever seen a really bad low budget ghetto movie where all the idiots sell drugs and have guns with there flashy cars, then those are the places where we work. The shit is so bad where we work at the grocery stores like Winn Dixie and even Walgreens have guys like us working the front.
I never knew anything like this even existed. We work in all the shit holes basically!
And the evasive driving part is really necessary. There was an armed guy killed after leaving work at another place out in Dade about two weeks ago. He didn't work for us, but it's still hard to know someone from a detailed you've worked with got killed doing the same shit you do.