7 dead and 20 injured at military complex

[lino]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33678801/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

[Bib3773]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_fort_hood_shooting



FORT HOOD, Texas – A Fort Hood spokeswoman says one shooter is in custody after a mass shooting on the Texas Army base. Army officials say at least seven people are dead and 20 wounded.

Fort Hood spokeswoman Sgt. Rebekah Lampan says authorities believe at least two gunmen were involved in the attack on Thursday.

She says it is not known whether the shooters were soldiers or civilians.

Lt. Col. Nathan Banks, an Army spokesman in Washington, says there was a pair of shootings at the base.

Banks says the first shooting was at 1:30 p.m. and at personnel and medical processing office. He says the second incident took place at a theater on the base.

THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information. AP's earlier story is below.

WASHINGTON (AP) — Seven people were killed and 20 wounded in a pair of shootings Thursday at the Fort Hood Army base in Texas, the Army says.

An army spokesman in Washington says the base has been locked down following the shootings. Another official told The Asociated Press that at least one shooter had been caught.

The FBI is sending agents to the scene.

Army spokesman Lt. Col. Nathan Banks says the first shooting began at about 1:30 p.m. at a personnel and medical processing office. The facility, called a Soldier Rating and Processing center, handles administrative details for soldiers.

Banks says two shooters were apparently involved. There was no immediate word on who they were, nor on identities of the dead.

Banks says the second incident took place at a theater on the sprawling base.

Another Army official identified that site as the Howze Theater.

That official, who requested anonymity to discuss an evolving incident, said a graduation had been scheduled for 2 p.m. at the theater.

The White House said President Barack Obama was notified of the shootings


Kinda hard to say much without many details on the matter. 7 dead and at lteast 20 wounded should meen the news channels will stay on it at least for a day.

[lino]

yeah i just posted this like 30 seconds before you.. are you anywhere near that Bib?

[Bib3773]

damn you must have hit post just when I was starting.

And not really, thats about 4-5 hours from me.

[anthony20031]

think the count is up to 12 now

[Bib3773]

UPDATE


FORT HOOD, Texas – A military mental health doctor facing deployment overseas opened fire at the Fort Hood Army post on Thursday, setting off on a rampage that killed 11 other people and left 31 wounded. Authorities killed the gunman, and the violence was believed to be the worst mass shooting in history at a U.S. military base.

The shooting began around 1:30 p.m., when shots were fired at the base's Soldier Readiness Center, where soldiers who are about to be deployed or who are returning undergo medical screening, said Lt. Gen. Bob Cone at Fort Hood.

President Barack Obama called the shooting "a horrific outburst of violence." He said it is a tragedy to lose a soldier overseas and even more horrifying when they come under fire at an Army base on American soil.

"We will make sure that we get answers to every single question about this horrible incident," the commander in chief said in Washington. "We are going to stay on this."

A law enforcement official identified the shooting suspect as Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the case publicly.

It was unclear what the motive was, though it appeared he was upset about a scheduled deployment. U.S. Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison said the Army major was about to deploy overseas, though it was unclear if he was headed to Iraq or Afghanistan and when he was scheduled to leave. Hutchison said she was told about the upcoming deployment by generals based at Fort Hood.

Retired Army Col. Terry Lee told Fox News that he worked with Hasan, who had hoped Obama would pull troops out of Afghanistan and Iraq. Lee said Hasan got into frequent arguments with others in the military who supported the wars, and had tried hard to prevent his pending deployment.

Military officials say Hasan, 39, was a psychiatrist at Walter Reed Army Medical Center for six years before being transferred to the Texas base in July. The officials, who had access to Hasan's military record, said he received a poor performance evaluation while at Walter Reed. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because military records are confidential.

The Virginia-born soldier was single with no children. He graduated from Virginia Tech, where he was a member of the ROTC and earned a bachelor's degree in biochemistry in 1997. He received his medical degree from the military's Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md., in 2001. At Walter Reed, he did his internship, residency and a fellowship.

Officials were investigating whether Hasan was his birth name or if he may have changed his name, possibly as part of a conversion to Islam. However, they were not certain of his religion.

The Soldier Readiness Center holds hundreds of people and is one of the most populated parts of the base, said Steve Moore, a spokesman for III Corps at Fort Hood. Nearby there are barracks and a food center where there are fast food chains. The center is part of the largest active duty armored post in the United States. Covering 339 square miles, the post halfway between Austin and Waco was home to about 52,000 troops as of earlier this year.

A graduation ceremony for soldiers who finished college courses while deployed was going on nearby at the time of the shooting, said Sgt. Rebekah Lampman, a Fort Hood spokeswoman.

Greg Schanepp, Carter's regional director in Texas, was at Fort Hood, said John Stone, a spokesman for U.S. Rep. John Carter, whose district includes the Army post. Schanepp was at a graduation ceremony when a soldier who had been shot in the back came running toward him and alerted him of the shooting, Stone said. The soldier told Schanepp not to go in the direction of the shooter, he said.

Soldiers don't carry weapons with them unless they're doing training exercises, said Spc. Jerry Richard, 27, who works at the building where the shooting happened — though he was not on post at the time.

"Overseas you are ready for it. But here you can't even defend yourself," he said.

Two other soldiers taken into custody following the deadly rampage have been released, Fort Hood spokesman Christopher Haug said. "They're not believed to be involved in the incident," Haug said. He said a third person was in custody, however.

The wounded were dispersed among hospitals in central Texas, Cone said.

Lisa Pfund of Random Lake, Wis., says her daughter, 19-year-old Amber Bahr, was shot in the stomach but was in stable condition. "We know nothing, just that she was shot in the belly," Pfund told The Associated Press. She couldn't provide more details and only spoke with emergency personnel.

Pfund said Bahr joined the reserves when she was 17 to earn money for school and loved being in the military even though none of her friends were interested in joining the Army.

A Fort Hood spokesman said he could not immediately confirm any identities of the injured.

"I ask that all of you keep these families and these individuals in your prayers today," Texas Gov. Rick Perry said.

The shootings on the Texas military base stirred memories of other recent mass shootings in the United States, including 13 dead at a New York immigrant center in April, 10 killed during a gunman's rampage across Alabama in March and 32 killed in the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history at Virginia Tech in 2007.

Around the country, some bases stepped up security precautions, but no others were locked down.

[anthony20031]

Update was released saying that the shooter was not killed. He is in custody in a hospital in stable condition

[Bib3773]

Yeah it was....here is the update on the update about the guy being alive. The real updates will come in the following days...


FORT HOOD, Texas – An Army psychiatrist set to be shipped overseas opened fire at the Fort Hood Army post Thursday, authorities said, a rampage that killed 12 people and left 31 wounded in the worst mass shooting ever at a military base in the United States.

The gunman, first said to have been killed, was wounded but alive and in stable condition under military guard, said Lt. Gen. Bob Cone at Fort Hood. "I would say his death is not imminent," Cone said. Col. Ben Danner said the suspect was shot at least four times.

The man was identified as Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, a 39-year-old, eight-year veteran from Virginia.

President Barack Obama called the shooting at the Soldier Readiness Center, where soldiers who are about to be deployed or who are returning undergo medical screening, "a horrific outburst of violence."

"It's difficult enough when we lose these brave Americans in battles overseas," the commander in chief said. "It is horrifying that they should come under fire at an Army base on American soil."

There was no official word on motive. Hasan had transferred to Fort Hood in July from Walter Reed Medical Center, where he received a poor performance evaluation, according to an official who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the case publicly.

Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, R-Texas, said generals at Fort Hood told her that Hasan was about to deploy overseas. Retired Col. Terry Lee, who said he had worked with Hasan, told Fox News he was being sent to Afghanistan.

Lee said Hasan had hoped Obama would pull troops out of Afghanistan and Iraq and got into frequent arguments with others in the military who supported the wars.

Officials were investigating whether Hasan was his birth name or if he may have changed his name, possibly as part of a conversion to Islam. However, they were not certain of his religion.

Video from the scene showed police patrolling the area with handguns and rifles, ducking behind buildings for cover. Sirens could be heard wailing while a woman's voice on a public-address system urged people to take cover.

"I was confused and just shocked," said Spc. Jerry Richard, 27, who works at the center but was not on duty during the shooting. "Overseas you are ready for it. But here you can't even defend yourself."

Soldiers at Fort Hood don't carry weapons unless they are doing training exercises.

The Rev. Greg Schannep was about to head into a graduation ceremony when a man in uniform approached him, warning him that someone had opened fire. Schannep heard three volleys of gunfire and saw people running.

"There was a burst of shots and more bursts of shots and people running everywhere," said Schannep, who works for local Congressman John Carter.

The uniformed man who had warned him ran to the theater. Schannep said he could see the man's back was bloodied from a wound. The man survived, was treated and will be fine, Schannep said.

Cone said initially three people were held, and all have been interviewed. Authorities believe, however, that there was a single shooter.

The Soldier Readiness Center holds hundreds of people and is one of the most populated parts of the base, said Steve Moore, a spokesman for III Corps at Fort Hood. Nearby there are barracks and a food center where there are fast food chains.

The wounded were dispersed among hospitals in central Texas, Cone said. Their identities, and the identities of the dead, were not immediately released.

Amber Bahr, 19, was shot in the stomach but was in stable condition, said her mother, Lisa Pfund of Random Lake, Wis.

"We know nothing, just that she was shot in the belly," Pfund told The Associated Press. She couldn't provide more details and only spoke with emergency personnel.

Hasan was single with no children. He graduated from Virginia Tech, where he was a member of the ROTC and earned a bachelor's degree in biochemistry in 1997. He received his medical degree from the military's Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md., in 2001 and was at Walter Reed for six years for his internship, residency and a fellowship.

The attack happened just down the road from one of the worst mass shootings in U.S. history. On Oct. 16, 1991, George Hennard smashed his pickup truck through a Luby's Cafeteria window in Killeen, Texas, and fired on the lunchtime crowd with a high-powered pistol, killing 22 people and wounding at least 20 others.

No other shooting at a military base in the U.S. has been anywhere near as deadly as Thursday's. In 1993, a gunman at Fort Knox shot five civilian co-workers, killing three, and then fatally shot himself.

Around the country, some bases stepped up security precautions, but no others were locked down.

Covering 339 square miles, Fort Hood is the largest active duty armored post in the United States. Home to about 52,000 troops as of earlier this year, it is located halfway between Austin and Waco.

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[Secpro]

Don't have much to say about this except it was a sad situation. Thoughts and prayers go out to the families of the slain and wounded. As for the Major he'll get what's coming to him if he doesn't die first. UCMJ and the JAG Corp will have that ass!

[Cris]

I have been on the Fort Hood base on many occasions, both my sister and ex-brother in law were both enlisted there. It's very sad to see this happen on one of our own bases. I sure hope this wasn't a plot, and yes I am profiling the man because of his name.

[lino]

yes I am profiling the man because of his name.


I did the same last night.. but further story line developed where he was going to be deployed to Iraq and was pissed about it..

If he was such a pussy, why not just run for the Mexican boarder instead of all this mess.

[Cris]

I did the same last night.. but further story line developed where he was going to be deployed to Iraq and was pissed about it..

If he was such a pussy, why not just run for the Mexican boarder instead of all this mess.


There are other reports leading to say he may be one of those idiots.

[JaxChris]

CNN is saying he was diagnosed with PTSD, but he's never been in combat. He has used the Army for staying in school to get a big education to take to the private sector. But now his plan has backfired because he could no longer dodge being sent to the sandbox.

Oddly enough, he was a well paid Major that is a psychiatrist. Would what Freud think of this little tantrum?

I'm so glad the Army still does tribunal justice. His ass will goto Ft Leavanworth where he will be ass raped until he dies. There will be no parole, no escape, and no amenities to make his stay more humane.

[M@D-M@X]

It is rumored that they have the two supposedly released guys still in custody, and part of the base is still on lock down because they have a third barricaded in a building and are trying to get him out alive to see if this was a cell, or just a collection of just independents.

It is a sad day indeed. My heart goes out to their families....

[lino]

It is a sad day indeed. My heart goes out to their families....



:+1:

[Satan_3pc]

I just watched this story on TV and I just wanted to inform Jax that, according to the news reporters showing the film, the gun he used was a FN Five-seven :)!

[JaxChris]

All the reports I heard was they were pulling 9mm's out of everyone. This explains why only 1/3 died (and most of them probably from shock). Congrats to those soldiers that pulled their injured Battle's out of harms way during the shooting though. Each of them should receive a promotion for demonstrated bravery and setting a leadership example. Make them E-4's and send them to NCO training immediately.

But a Five-seveN would explain how he did some much damage in such little time. The Five-seveN has nerf gun recoil and has 20-round mags. He would only need 2 of those to inflict damage on 40 people.

The problem is that 41 people were shot (13 dead, 28 wounded at last count) not including the gunman. I think the MP's that responded were not paying attention to their foregrounds and backgrounds which led to friendly fire before the off-duty cop in the audience took the bad guy down. I doubt even with a well-behaved weapon he had a 100% casualty/shot rating (let alone greater than 100%).

I believe once his mags ran dry is when he was picked off by the woman.

This story is a perfect example of how private citizens stop crimes before law enforcement arrives or when law enforcement is ineffective. If more were armed then someone much closer to him would've ended it sooner.

That crime scene will be locked up for weeks while they attempt to comb the entire building for bullets and casings in efforts to piece together how many people were shooting in there (good or bad) and from which directions and angles they moved/approached.

[Satan_3pc]

Well the news story on TV said he "bought the gun legally" (as to what? show how horrible guns are? Yeah, in the hands of muslims lol) they went on to call the magazine a clip, and they said the gun he bought was known as a cop killer because of it's capacity or accuracy or something. Then they showed a guy put a magazine in a FN Five-Seven and shoot a target several times in the same spot. So I don't know.

[Satan_3pc]

"In late 2009, the weapon was again the target of controversy following its use by U.S. Army psychiatrist Malik Nadal Hasan in the shooting at Fort Hood military base, where 13 were killed and 30 were wounded."

That's a quote from Wikipedia. Wikipedia knows everything. Just think, there's some mother fucker out there that just HAD to jump on the opportunity to add that to the Five-SeveN Wikipedia page.

[Bib3773]

The beauty of Wiki is some idiot added it, but any of us can take it off there just as fast if we wanted to....


Just saying

[Satan_3pc]

Well it's not just some idiot. Most of the information on that website is compiled from professors and scholars and stuff from all over the world. The website is watched by admins 24/7 and only the best stuff makes the cut. It's really a good idea IMO.