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Slowbra01
09-24-2008, 08:05 PM
I recently found out some great news on a local ammo manufacturer. I was able to speak to the owner this morning and he seemed like a REALLY nice guy. Answered all my questions, made suggestions, overall nice guy to deal with. Here's some info.
Stone Heart Manufacturing Company
6912 NW 46th Street
Miami, Fl 33166
305-301-1520
Currently produces ammunition for 9mm,.40cal, 45acp.
He has begun loading for .223 and will have some in stock by end of next week, but price has not been set yet.
Definitely looking forward to doing business with him!
Nice...keep us posted on cost.
Price and if they are dirty rounds or not. Test them out the in the colt for us to let us know how dirty they are.
raven_hammer
09-25-2008, 09:43 AM
Any word on the grain for the .223?
Slowbra01
09-25-2008, 02:59 PM
As for the grain of .223, i have no word on them, i did not ask specifics.
However, you can contact him personally and order any caliber you want and he will load them by order.
The listed calibers are the ones he is loading for exclusively at the moment.
He did mention that sometimes reps of his company are at Markham park handing out free samples of their ammunition so people can try them before buying them. I certainly recommend calling him yourself to find out more info. Very down to earth guy to talk to. I can only say that about one other place and that's at Guntech.
Did you get any prices after talking to the guy so much? Was there any savings?
Slowbra01
09-26-2008, 01:52 AM
I only talked to the guy once and asked briefly about the other calibers since my main interest is in .45acp due to the majority of what i own is in .45acp.
230gr fmj is $26/100rnds
200gr(not 100% sure on gr) semiwadcutters in 45acp is $240/1000.
9mm is $17.50/100
Are these target rounds or personal defense rounds?
Chris
09-27-2008, 09:58 AM
If you speak to him again ask him about the brass if its once fired or virgin.
I would also like to find out what brand of primers and powders he is using as well as the press.
Im to lazy to call but if you do business with him and can remember about that info would be great.
we may be able to put together a group buy of 10 or 20 thousand rounds if his specs are good
I'd be interested in some 40 cal. if they're not reloads.. come to the hard reality that my glock does NOT like reloads... ;-(
I do have probably a couple hundred rounds of reload 40 cal FMJ's, 180 grain I believe.. I can't shoot them, but if someone has a 40 that's not as picky as the glock.. I'm sure I can give them a great deal... if Not.. I may try to find another 40 cal to play with :D
Chris
09-28-2008, 10:36 PM
I'd be interested in some 40 cal. if they're not reloads.. come to the hard reality that my glock does NOT like reloads... ;-(
I do have probably a couple hundred rounds of reload 40 cal FMJ's, 180 grain I believe.. I can't shoot them, but if someone has a 40 that's not as picky as the glock.. I'm sure I can give them a great deal... if Not.. I may try to find another 40 cal to play with :D
Thank God....lol:D
Slowbra01
10-08-2008, 05:18 PM
Got a few samples today and got to shoot em.
.223 55gr fmj 24.5gr of varget powder used.
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f187/jmisenas/DSC02040.jpg
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f187/jmisenas/DSC02042.jpg
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f187/jmisenas/DSC02039.jpg
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f187/jmisenas/DSC02041.jpg
.45acp swc 200gr ($25/100)
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f187/jmisenas/DSC02043.jpg
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f187/jmisenas/DSC02044.jpg
I can vouch for these that they burn clean. Definitely good practice ammo. I say that without taking away form the quality of these rounds. Let's face it, unless you do your own reloads, we will all go with factory loads ie fed hydrashocks or rem golden sabers.
Ammunition is sold in boxes of 100. Too bad they don't come in cans like Georgia arms. Still a good deal. He said the best way to purchase is to give him a call and place an order.
I will be ordering 1k of the .45acp if anyone else wants to put in an order you're more than welcome to do so.
If you want to try them for yourself before committing to a purchase, call the guy and see when you can come by to pick up some samples.
45acp 230gr RN/FMJ $26/100
45acp 165gr FN/FMJ $25/100
40sw 175gr SWC $24/100
9mm 115gr FMJ $17/100
I get 9mm 115gr FMJ's for $10 now, why would I pay more?
Slowbra01
10-08-2008, 05:34 PM
You wouldn't. But this is the best deal as far as 45acp and .223 that i personally know of. Reveal to me your sources dammit! That is if its cheaper than whats offered by this guy.
When i get that p30, then ill be right there with ya on 9mm. But until then... all i got is 45acp to shoot.
Slowbra01
10-08-2008, 05:35 PM
Btw, im not trying to MAKE ANYONE buy from this guy. Just sharing what i find. If you have a cheaper source by all means share with me dammit!
Correct my prior post, I get 9mm's for $10 per 50 but they are new rounds not shot once casings. I am completely against shooting used casings.
I will take some samples of the .45 acp from you and test them in your new Colt also. Thanks Joe.
Slowbra01
10-08-2008, 05:56 PM
Right now he is using once fired casings until he gets his own stamped casings delivered.
Your preference is yours. I personally see absolutely nothing wrong with reusing casings. Too many reloaders do it with great success for me to be critical about it. Again as i said earlier, i do not suggest and i will NOT use these for ccw. Just range time.
As for the colt. I honestly dont know when that thing will see the range. I shot the samples out of the GSR and the RIA compact and of course... the damm taurus lol.
Yes, that is my preference for sure. Like I said I have no problems testing them out of the Colt. Just give me a buzz when you go out, get Jamie and Bryan out also.
Thank God....lol:D
LOL... yea, I've finally got tired of getting blasted in the area of skin between my thumb and forefinger lol
Correct my prior post, I get 9mm's for $10 per 50 but they are new rounds not shot once casings. I am completely against shooting used casings.
I am in the glock, but don't mind at all in the 357 revolver. NEVER AGAIN in a semi, though
I personally see absolutely nothing wrong with reusing casings.
I used to agree, bud.. but after 5 case separations on the glock.. just don't like the feel and sound of a shell blowing up in my face :D But that's just me.. to each their own.. I'd love to get some from your guy, but I don't shoot SWC lead in any of my guns..that's just me :D
Slowbra01
10-08-2008, 08:07 PM
he also produces ball ammo. basically, with enough notice he'll make what you want in what caliber you need.
If you speak to him again ask him about the brass if its once fired or virgin.
I would also like to find out what brand of primers and powders he is using as well as the press.
Im to lazy to call but if you do business with him and can remember about that info would be great.
we may be able to put together a group buy of 10 or 20 thousand rounds if his specs are good
I would be in for 1-2000 rounds of .223 and 1000 of 9mm if you do a good group buy.
spikes40
10-21-2008, 01:27 PM
id be in for 500-1000 9mm, 500-1000 .40, and 500-1000 .45
depending on quality
I would be in for 2K of .223 and 2K of 147gr subsonic 9mm if the price is right and the brass is no more than once fired. I do have another source for good quality reloads at very good prices. We can do a comparison if need be. I'd rather give it to a local guy since sales tax is about the same as shipping normally.
so I called this guy up and ordered 1K of .223 for $310.00 and 1K of 9mm for $170.00..
he said he would have it by weeks end, will even deliver it to me!
Slowbra01
11-04-2008, 02:57 PM
115gr fmj on the 9mm?
has he begun to use his own stamped brass yet?
115gr fmj on the 9mm?
has he begun to use his own stamped brass yet?
I briefly spoke to him about the brass, cant remember, nor do I remember the gr.. all I wrote down were the prices..
Ill let you know when i get it from him
so the guy delivered the rnds to my house... real nice guy
9mm- 155gr Flat Nose Full Metal Jacket
powder 231 4.8 grains
did not shoot yet
.17 per bullet
223- 55gr FMJBT
Powder: Hodgdon Varget 25gr
only used the 223 today, 200rnd and the rifle stayed pretty clean
not bad for .31 per bullet
Slowbra01
11-09-2008, 09:18 AM
pics of the 9mm please =)
So, can you say you are satisfied with his work? Comparable to the cheaper end of .223 factory loads? Any other opinions?
pics of the 9mm please =)
So, can you say you are satisfied with his work? Comparable to the cheaper end of .223 factory loads? Any other opinions?
I tried to take the pic of the 9mm... but all I get is a shinny blur at 8 mega pixel.
I am no expert on ammo, but this was clean as any factory round I have fired, and no FTF. Still have 800 rnds to tryout :D
Slowbra01
11-09-2008, 07:27 PM
turn flash off and turn on macro mode =)
did he give it to you packed in boxes or in a can?
boxed ammo... Ill try to re-take the pic tonight
Slowbra01
11-18-2008, 05:34 PM
taken those pix yet?!?!
taken those pix yet?!?!
not yet... thanks for reminding me.. Ill try tonight
this is the best I could do with my plane jane 8MP HP camera
the lighting looks freaky because I was holding a maglight over them
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/pichichi13/HPIM0921.jpg
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/pichichi13/HPIM0913.jpg
Slowbra01
11-19-2008, 01:50 PM
freaky?! it actually made the pic pretty fuckin good with the reflection and all... awesome pic actually lol Thanks!
Can i borrow 500 of those? lol
if well all go on a range day and you want to try them, I'm sure the guy would give me 100 rnds for you all to test :)
SexyLocknLoad
11-19-2008, 04:58 PM
if well all go on a range day and you want to try them, I'm sure the guy would give me 100 rnds for you all to test :)
Hey, wait for meeeeee (to go down to FL soon)!!! I wanna go with you. I got a 9mm too. Wonder how they'd do in my S&W? What range do you guys usually go to - indoor or outdoor?
SexyLocknLoad
11-19-2008, 04:59 PM
this is the best I could do with my plane jane 8MP HP camera
the lighting looks freaky because I was holding a maglight over them
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/pichichi13/HPIM0921.jpg
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/pichichi13/HPIM0913.jpg
That is a great pic, Lino... it looks like an advertisement photo, lol. Good job!
Hey, wait for meeeeee (to go down to FL soon)!!! I wanna go with you. I got a 9mm too. Wonder how they'd do in my S&W? What range do you guys usually go to - indoor or outdoor?
I go indoor and outdoor, but Im a rookie again... just re-awakend to the gun thing after 11 years
That is a great pic, Lino... it looks like an advertisement photo, lol. Good job!
you should have seen the 99 bad pics it took to get this one.. lol :)
SexyLocknLoad
11-19-2008, 09:52 PM
I go indoor and outdoor, but Im a rookie again... just re-awakend to the gun thing after 11 years
you should have seen the 99 bad pics it took to get this one.. lol :)
:laugh::itsok:
Slowbra01
12-05-2008, 04:24 PM
went to Adolfo's new place. Bought 1k of 9mm and 100 45acp. They shoot just as clean as the factory stuff everyone is used to. They also shoot tighter than the usual range ammunition. Very nice guy to deal with. Will be doing more business with him.
Price:
9mm: 1000rnds 115gr $170
45acp: 100rnds 230gr $26.50
Looks like some nice pricing. I still want to try the 45acp in that new Colt you got.
went to Adolfo's new place.
whats the address, I want to check it out...
spikes40
12-08-2008, 07:15 PM
looks like 3 bucks per hundred on .45 and 2.00 per hundred on 9mm cheaper then wally world WWB
not sure it that is enough to sway me from factory loads
Slowbra01
12-09-2008, 02:04 AM
address:
12385 SW 129th Ct. #12
BTW, i mentioned that you and i are from the same forum and he politely said "oh yeah i remember Lino...he's an asshole"
jk
Well spikes, your apprehension cannot be swayed by me or anyone else. Get a box of 100 and try them out for yourself. I can speak volumes and write endless posts on how good and safe these loads are and if you're set in your opinion, there's nothing anyone can do about it. Some people are just anal *ahem* Cris...to try anything else other than what they are used to (in their own firearm lol). There's nothing than experiencing something firsthand.
spikes40
12-09-2008, 08:40 AM
slowbra, as i do not doubt the quality of the ammo... having to come from broward to miami to pick up the ammo rather then going to wally world on my corner.. i just know know if saving 3.00 per hundred would be worth it.. i wouldnt mind trying the ammo..i just dont think it will be cost effective...my .02
BTW, i mentioned that you and i are from the same forum and he politely said "oh yeah i remember Lino...he's an asshole"
:blowup: :fu:
chrismia
12-09-2008, 09:52 AM
ouch...
you really have a way with people...:bolt:
IraG2362
12-09-2008, 10:07 AM
slowbra, as i do not doubt the quality of the ammo... having to come from broward to miami to pick up the ammo rather then going to wally world on my corner.. i just know know if saving 3.00 per hundred would be worth it.. i wouldnt mind trying the ammo..i just dont think it will be cost effective...my .02
I feel the same way as Spikes, I live in Deerfield between Gas and time or even if it was shipped I can do better at Walmart or using Wolf which I couldnt care less if it is "dirty" , it still goes bang every time for me..
Slowbra01
12-09-2008, 05:09 PM
YMMV with anything. For me, i can ask my brother to pick up the ammo for me since he lives in that area and just bring it to me whenever he visits.
I'm just sharing resources. It's up to you if you want to go there or not. Doesn't affect me at all.
As per being cost effective. That's the reason why we tried to set up a group buy on this. so ONE of us... maybe me...could go pick up and bring it midway and set up a pick up from my house or something. But that idea didn't go through. So far it has only been Lino and I who have made purchases.
If anyone else is willing to make a GB, i'm sure Adolfo will accomodate and will give good prices. Again, i'm just sharing resources and giving options.
How much is it to shoot some of this ammo in that nice Colt of yours?
I went down south today to see Adolfo before hitting the range.. he has some very impressive ammo loading equip each capable of doing 5000 rnds/hour.. I picked up his last batch of his originally produced .223 ammo.
The new ammo is made with the same primers and vargat powder, but new brass and hornady bullets.. I also picked up 1000 rnds for a friend of mine but the price has gone up.. they are now over $.40/rnd for .223 and over $.23/rnd of 9mm although he had no 9mm left..
I fired both type today and they performed perfecly.. and clean... I will get you an updated price next time I speak to him..
JaxChris
04-04-2009, 09:53 PM
Isn't Wolf decent ammo?
0.35$/rnd from TDS, sold in 20rnd/box. No large quantities required.
http://www.tds-us.com/catalog.php/tds/dt44311/223_5.56
spikes40
04-04-2009, 10:00 PM
i will only run wolf through an ak....nothing else
i will only run wolf through an ak....nothing else
A Glock eats up that wolf crap too!!
But for an AR, only good ammo
IraG2362
04-10-2009, 05:55 AM
for the most part I only shoot Wolf in my AR's and AK's due to cost.. but with a limited supply of TAP i get now and about to make a trip to Stone Hart that will change .. My AR's have never had any issues with Wolf besides maybe a little more scrubbing..
for the most part I only shoot Wolf in my AR's and AK's due to cost.. but with a limited supply of TAP i get now and about to make a trip to Stone Hart that will change .. My AR's have never had any issues with Wolf besides maybe a little more scrubbing..
I do not personally own an AR YET but I have heard they are a little fussy. Glad to hear Wolf works in yours. Its nice to be able to go to the range and blow off ammo thats around 30cents a round as opposed to 50+ cents a round.
Secpro
04-10-2009, 10:14 AM
My AR is only picky with Wolf. i think that seems to be universal though
IraG2362
04-10-2009, 10:34 AM
Secpro , when we have a chance you will come buy and we will upgrade your bolt.. I think you will find it will then spit out anything you put in with out an issue..
we will upgrade your bolt...
what do you do? change the ejector?
Secpro
04-10-2009, 03:32 PM
Secpro , when we have a chance you will come buy and we will upgrade your bolt.. I think you will find it will then spit out anything you put in with out an issue..
Hmmm..... Doesn't sound like a bad idea, but do you just swap the bolt out and through a new one in or what? Hey dude don't forget you live literally right down the road from me.
IraG2362
04-12-2009, 02:16 AM
I know that just been busy with school.. I should have an extra wolff spring and Oring with will greatly enhance your bolts extractions .. i have about 2 more weeks of school and we will hook up.. also whats the deal with that job? I just have my CC right now.. will that work? i am always lookign for a little more work..
spikes40
04-13-2009, 10:26 AM
also whats the deal with that job? I just have my CC right now.. will that work? .
Im guessing you need a G license
Secpro
04-13-2009, 11:35 AM
Nope, unarmed site! You need a D license which is a few hrs of bordum and bs. i still have a part time slot up. Pay is $12 only 16hrs a week though with alot of room for more hrs since its part time. Sites out in Boca if you're interested I'll hold off on filling it.
IraG2362
04-13-2009, 10:51 PM
I have to reapply for my D ... it has been a while since I used it..
Secpro
04-14-2009, 08:02 AM
I have to reapply for my D ... it has been a while since I used it..
What the hell are you waiting for then? How long ya talking though? they may just make you pay a fee and renew it.
I recently bought some ammo at Weston Arms gun range and just noticed it was from the Stone Heart Manufacturing place. only shot 50 rounds of 45, but they seem to shoot pretty clean. Anyone bought directly from them, or know their hours of operation? Is there a group buy thing being set up or what? Whazzzup.
Slowbra01
04-20-2009, 08:06 AM
i was trying to set up a group buy a while back. but did not have enough interest since there others didnt feel comfortable shooting "reloads". Yes you can buy directly from him. Scroll this thread and you will see i posted the most recent info.
I'm still interested in a group buy. As stated his prices have increased so the pricing posted is dated.
I have been hearing about some serious back orders on all the accessories for reloading.
just talked to Adolfo, and as of today.. pricing per boxes of 50 are as follows
(btw, he gave permission to post prices, so all good)
9mm 50/12.50
40 cal 50/16.50
45 cal 50/17.50
hours of operation
Monday 2 - 6
tues thru fri 10 - 7
Sat 10 - 4:30
He said they are usually there earlier and later, so if you call ahead he will probably be able to hook you up before or after their "actual" business hours. He seems like a really stand up dude.. can't wait to try more of his stuff in the different calibers. I'll let ya know. :D
WOW thats some great prices. I may have to look into that. I was a little skeptical of reloads too but since this guy seems to have it figured out and does a lot of them, its not really like firing home made reloads.
Secpro
04-20-2009, 12:31 PM
Those prices are really outstanding! Does he ship or what? Not all of us are in Miami.
Those prices are really outstanding! Does he ship or what? Not all of us are in Miami.
Heck, id drive to Miami for that.
anthony20031
04-20-2009, 12:49 PM
I could be way off but seems like his prices are starting to not be very competitive (i'm talking 9mm)...not too long ago they were under $10 and I spoke to him less than a month ago and they were 11.50. You can find brand new factory ammo at about 12.99 or 13.99 at lou's or online if your willing to pay shipping (and waiting a little while)...is saving the extra .50 or 1.00 worth shooting reloads and the extra risk you take? could be way off but just my 0.02...seems like he is taking advantage of the shortage as it is hard to find the ammo and he seems to have it (i'll give him that, and that is what business is about -- making money when you can)...but starting to no believe his prices are competitive (again at least for the 9mm)....not saying that I wouldn't shoot it though lol
his prices have gone up!! but his brass is now NEW, and he is using hornady bullets for his .223... if you get down to his shop, ask if he will let you see his machines.. they are pretty impressive..
if his prices continue to go up.. I'm going to try the wolf ammo...
I could be way off but seems like his prices are starting to not be very competitive (i'm talking 9mm)...not too long ago they were under $10 and I spoke to him less than a month ago and they were 11.50. You can find brand new factory ammo at about 12.99 or 13.99 at lou's or online if your willing to pay shipping (and waiting a little while)...is saving the extra .50 or 1.00 worth shooting reloads and the extra risk you take? could be way off but just my 0.02...seems like he is taking advantage of the shortage as it is hard to find the ammo and he seems to have it (i'll give him that, and that is what business is about -- making money when you can)...but starting to no believe his prices are competitive (again at least for the 9mm)....not saying that I wouldn't shoot it though lol
For my .45 he is still WAY lower then anywhere else. I paid 22.50/box for Wolf this weekend. It was all I could find locally and I wanted to blow off a few rounds. Even at Cabelas Wolf is 16.99/box in bulk. Wolf will work for me but for a tad more to get brass cased "reloads" that are more then likely much higher quality then Wolf just seems worth it to me. To get any other ammo locally (except at Guntech), if you can find it you will pay over $25/box for .45acp. Guntech is the only place that I have found that still sells ammo at a VERY reasonable rate locally.
Those prices are really outstanding! Does he ship or what? Not all of us are in Miami.
Give Adolfo a call.. very nice guy, just ask him if you have any specific questions.. reloads vs. new ammo, target vs security.. shipping, etc...
305-301-1520
anthony20031
04-20-2009, 03:04 PM
ok i thought they were reloads and not new brass...definitely worth a look then
JaxChris
04-20-2009, 07:36 PM
SecPro, if you give him a call about shipping make sure you post what his in-state shipping rate is. I may try a few boxes of 45.
IraG2362
04-21-2009, 01:51 AM
I made a run to his shop last week for 2k of .556 and 2k of 9MM .. upon arrival he didnt have the 9MM ready but he opened up his shop for me and his boys cranked it out.. he was very gracious and the whole crew were just nice people . before iknew it the rounds were done and boxed all in under an hour.. I highly recomend using them for your ammo needs ..
Now that's service. Thanks for the post Ira.
JaxChris
04-21-2009, 08:30 AM
Was it a decent discount for 1k cases?
yep, just left there with a couple hundid rounds myself.. very nice guy. Let's get some kind of group buy going, though.. he said it was a decent discount for bulk (1K or more), but I didn't get how much.... also depends on the caliber, I guess.. either way, count me in :D
anthony20031
04-22-2009, 04:02 PM
yh if we organize a group buy and get a discount, I'm in for 1k 9mm for myself and my buddy may want another 1k
Im in for 1k .45acp if we can get a group buy going.
At least 1k each 9mm and 5.56 for me if the price is right.
anthony20031
04-22-2009, 08:58 PM
Alright can we get one guy to take the order and give it to Adolpho...maybe someone that lives close to his shop and maybe can pick it up? kind of eager to get this together lol glad they are not used brass
Im close to the guy..
put it together and Ill contact him and pick it up, (after all you jokers pay me):raspberry:
anthony20031
04-22-2009, 10:03 PM
will he give a bulk discount lino?
I can be put down for 2k of 9mm...can we start a list
anthony20031
04-22-2009, 10:03 PM
1. Anthony - 2k 9mm
JaxChris
04-22-2009, 10:47 PM
If Lino seriously wants to organize this, he should start a new thread for the group buy instead of burying it in this generic thread.
Plus, I think he needs to talk to the guy first and see which common calibers he is willing to do bulk on. If we're organizing a purchase in the 10's of 1000's then it may be limited to just 9mm and 5.56 as 45ACP and some others may be difficult for them to get enough brass in.
Once Lino does the research and starts a thread I will weigh my options.
If Lino seriously wants to organize this, he should start a new thread for the group buy instead of burying it in this generic thread.
Plus, I think he needs to talk to the guy first and see which common calibers he is willing to do bulk on. If we're organizing a purchase in the 10's of 1000's then it may be limited to just 9mm and 5.56 as 45ACP and some others may be difficult for them to get enough brass in.
Once Lino does the research and starts a thread I will weigh my options.
Ill ask the guy what he can handle and at what price.. then Ill post up a new thread.. I ll put anthony in for 2k 9mm when we start it up..
IraG2362
04-23-2009, 12:23 AM
I am sure he will do soemthing for the GB, but he was complaining how the haz mat fee was raised on his powder deliveries. ( I think it is a quiet government plan to boost ammo prices with out it really being noticed like an announced tax) but as I said in my earlier post Adolfo is a great guy to deal with..
Chris, on a another note.. my buddy Jaimie and his wife should be contacting you at guntech about a ccw class.. he works for FLFD so he may stop in if nearbye or just call.. If Guntech has LE G19's he will probably pick one up from you too..
If Lino seriously wants to organize this, he should start a new thread for the group buy instead of burying it in this generic thread.
Plus, I think he needs to talk to the guy first and see which common calibers he is willing to do bulk on. If we're organizing a purchase in the 10's of 1000's then it may be limited to just 9mm and 5.56 as 45ACP and some others may be difficult for them to get enough brass in.
Once Lino does the research and starts a thread I will weigh my options.
Get .223 not 5.56.
I am sure he will do soemthing for the GB, but he was complaining how the haz mat fee was raised on his powder deliveries. ( I think it is a quiet government plan to boost ammo prices with out it really being noticed like an announced tax) but as I said in my earlier post Adolfo is a great guy to deal with..
Chris, on a another note.. my buddy Jaimie and his wife should be contacting you at guntech about a ccw class.. he works for FLFD so he may stop in if nearbye or just call.. If Guntech has LE G19's he will probably pick one up from you too..
They can be put on the list for LE G19's, which means they will get there's after I get mine. I have to buy at least one, I can't pass up the Law Enforcement price.
Any chance the guy has 7.62x39?
Not a popular reload but when you call I would be curious.
Slowbra is looking for some 7.62x39 also.
Slowbra is looking for some 7.62x39 also.
I thought he was looking for .308 NATO or 7.62x51
Slowbra01
04-23-2009, 11:42 AM
Phil....i am looking for EVERYTHING at the moment lol
i only have 300 rounds of 7.62x39
absolutely NONE of .308 or 7.62x51. I've been putting this off since i haven't taken home the rem700. But that's going to change soon...hopefully. So i definitely have my eyes peeled for this too.
JaxChris
06-14-2009, 07:29 PM
Ok guys, what happened to the group buy?
Does Adolpho still do reloads or just new manufacture only now that he has his own brass?
We need to get this going. Also, would anyone be willing to take my order and ship it to me with USPS Fixed Rate box after the order is delivered? Cris?
I'm pretty sure Matt would put in an order with me that he and I can split up once it arrives.
And what calibers are we going to focus on? There's obvious choices like 9mm, 45acp, 223, & 308 - but is there others people will want in sufficient quantity like 40S&W, 7.62x39?
Whoever ask Adolpho, I'd say what would he do on 10k per caliber. I'm sure we can fill that or more between the previous interest in this thread.
I personally don't care if it's all reloads, XD's fire anything. And people above mentioned his reloads shoot pretty damn clean.
Please, let's just get this done. I need 45's!!!
Adolfo uses new brass now. I like their stuff but have over 700rds of .45acp right now. If you guys want to get a group buy going on some Stone Hart stuff I could use another 500rds. For me, when I need ammo I just call him to make sure he has it then drive down and pick it up. Its an hour each way but I am not getting gouged and its nice stuff.
I am not sure what is involved in shipping ammo but as long as there is no major crap associated with the shipping, I will take the orders from everyone, get the cash, and pick up the ammo and ship it out.
I can start by calling Adolfo and asking him what calibers he is doing. I am pretty sure he only does 9mm, .40, .45acp, and 223 but I will ask. Let me know if you guys want me to start this.
JaxChris
06-15-2009, 03:38 PM
Well, I just talked to Adolpho and Morgan over at Stone Hart. Their prices have jumped through the roof. New manufacture in 45 they said would be 450$/1000 and reloaded would be 350$/1000. I mentioned Joe and the others as a reference and was asking for 2k rounds and they said they can't do any better.
So I called up the shop here Clearwater, and he's out of bullets. He was out of primers waiting on 2million he had on backorder but now he's running out of bullets to finish. But he's not changing his prices right now thankfully.
All around, I'm now sad today. =(
He will change the prices when he gets the parts in stock.
Adolfo's prices have gone up big time..
anthony20031
06-15-2009, 10:12 PM
yh they have I remember when people were saying he was charging like .17 per 9mm and then I went a couple months later and it's close to .30 per round.
doug5336
06-16-2009, 10:18 AM
If there is a group buy for .45, please let me know!
so the guy delivered the rnds to my house... real nice guy
9mm- 155gr Flat Nose Full Metal Jacket
powder 231 4.8 grains
did not shoot yet
.17 per bullet
223- 55gr FMJBT
Powder: Hodgdon Varget 25gr
only used the 223 today, 200rnd and the rifle stayed pretty clean
not bad for .31 per bullet
the good old days :bolt:
its around $.48/ .223 now :no:
Slowbra01
06-16-2009, 03:05 PM
I'm very disappointed to see the drastic price increase he has made. I hope that as his business grows, he will lower the prices to attract quantity buyers.
JaxChris
06-16-2009, 07:24 PM
If his business grows during a time a price gouging, he will become/remain a high-price-prick for life just like all the others.
My last hope is that my local guys price don't skyrocket when he gets bullets in. If they don't, I'll be stocking thousands of rounds from him like all the hoarders.
I need a hug, this is depressing. =(
Everyone's prices will go up as the new supplies come in. It's not in the hands of the retailers but the manufacturers and distributors.
I'm very disappointed to see the drastic price increase he has made. I hope that as his business grows, he will lower the prices to attract quantity buyers.
I think there is a combination of things here..
1) he now uses better bullets
2) he now uses new brass
3) shipping costs increased his cost
4) demand outweighs supply>> thus he can charge more and not seem like a prick
5) he has retailers selling his product so he wants to keep the prices consistant
6) volume purchases actually are worse for him at the moment.. because he can sell all he makes at the higher individual price.
:no: all of this sucks
anthony20031
06-17-2009, 09:51 AM
Yh it is all supply and demand. The business part will force you to try and find a price where the supply and demand will meet thus getting the most out of his product. I know it sucks but that's business. Remember also that he is selling less as he has less supply but he still needs to cover his fixed costs and support himself and his staff. Once demand slows when the panic subsides (we hope) then naturally he will have to drop his price to find a new equilibrium.
I have to say, I went to the range yesterday and put 100rds through my Glock 30 of Stone Hart. This is the second time I used his ammo and I am thrilled. I can not get over how much cleaner it is then Winchester, Remington, and even Speer. I really like his stuff. For me its worth a few extra dollars to get quality clean ammo.
It's always worth the extra couple of bucks to get the cleaner ammo. I still have some S&B left but that is dwindling away.
JaxChris
06-18-2009, 12:44 AM
Found S&B available online in multiple calibers by the box, but they are limiting each customer to 4 boxes per order.
On a happier note, all the Florida WalMart's just got a shipment today of Blazer Brass in all calibers and they even received Remington 223 and Federal 22LR Bulk packs. My WalMart stocked their shelves around 930pm and I just happened to wander in after getting gas & smokes just to see and my jaw dropped.
Needless to say I couldn't resist temptation and I hoarded. I hit them before and after shift change. Currently have 1600 rounds of 45, 2200 rounds of 22LR, 300 rounds of 40, and 200 rounds of 9mm in my trunk. And I'll probably be going back in a couple hours when the Sporting Goods cashier finally shows up - I got Electronics to do me an order after shift change.
My bank account is going to be dry by morning at this rate... but I won't have to worry about range ammo for a long time. Why am I getting other calibers? Because I'm already missing my old pistol which supported interchangeable barrels - which the XD-45 Compact does not - and other calibers are definitely cheaper to shoot when you just want to shoot. I'm not hoarding to sell it off for profit, I will use this ammo before the end of the year. =)
Matt had some family trouble today, so I'll probably be selling the 9mm to him at cost when he needs it since he's missing the golden opportunity.
Pfft Matt works at Walmart, he already has the inside scoop. Let him fend for himself. LOL!!!
On another note hope all is well with the family probs.
JaxChris
06-18-2009, 07:57 AM
Another reason to say fuck Matt, I just watched an employee buy some right behind me and his employee discount card worked - giving him 10% off his purchase. Matt should be buying the WalMart ammo for all of us.
Also, I wasn't able to continue being a total asshole. I went again at 7am and they still had plenty - but my conscience took over and I left the rest for others. After taking 1600 out of their 2000 rounds of 45, 2200 out of their 4400 of their 22 Bulk, 300 out of their 500 of 40, and 200 out of their 2000 of 9mm I felt enough damage had been done.
Sporting Goods definitely made their money on the overnight shift from me.
Should I feel ashamed for raping the ammo counter?
JaxChris
06-18-2009, 08:00 AM
Btw, I'm not allowed to bitch about hoarders ever again - gougers are still fair game though!
LMAO!!! Hey I don't blame ya these days. But I will classify you with the nuts out there hoarding the ammo.
I have to say, I went to the range yesterday and put 100rds through my Glock 30 of Stone Hart. This is the second time I used his ammo and I am thrilled. I can not get over how much cleaner it is then Winchester, Remington, and even Speer. I really like his stuff. For me its worth a few extra dollars to get quality clean ammo.
it sure does leave your weapons cleaner than other brands... night and day from wolf...
spikes40
06-18-2009, 02:48 PM
walmart on 441 and sample has a lot of remington green box 223 20rnd boxes at 9.97...they also had remington subsonic .22 and a ton of 12 GA and 12 GA 100rnd value packs
walmart on 441 and sample has a lot of remington green box 223 20rnd boxes at 9.97...they also had remington subsonic .22 and a ton of 12 GA and 12 GA 100rnd value packs
LAWD, $500 a case for that dirty crap ammo. I still have 2K rounds of that stuff, half from the walmart $4 a box days and the other half from the days when Bass Pro was selling them at $65 a carton of 200.
JaxChris
06-18-2009, 07:21 PM
Want to sell that dirty cheap 6.50$/box stuff then? =)
atek3
07-26-2009, 07:09 PM
I shot 50 rounds of Stone Hart ammo with my M&P9C at Florida Gun Center yesterday and I had SIX light primer strikes. I've never experienced any misfires, malfunctions, or light primer strikes with this gun before. Has anyone else had this problem?
thanks,
atek3
I shot 50 rounds of Stone Hart ammo with my M&P9C at Florida Gun Center yesterday and I had SIX light primer strikes. I've never experienced any misfires, malfunctions, or light primer strikes with this gun before. Has anyone else had this problem?
thanks,
atek3
I have put 300rds of Stone Hart through my Glock 30 .45acp with no issue. Not one single FTF, FTE, or primer issue. Personally I love their ammo. I found it to be very clean and accurate.
Light primer strike should be due to a gun malfunction not ammunition.
JaxChris
07-27-2009, 08:19 AM
Too much gunk in your firing pin assembly or a breachface coated in crud holding the round away from the pin are likely culprits. But sometimes the primer pocket can be reamed too much and cause the primer to sit too deep inside the casing though.
Did these rounds fire on their second attempts?
anthony20031
07-27-2009, 09:07 AM
I have been having FTE with the Stone Hart stuff. Have used Federal, Winchester and Fiochi without issue
The question again, is how good are you guys cleaning your weapons?
Sometimes a basic cleaning is not good enough to get into the areas a regular brush can not. The residue left from old discharges can gum up internal parts causing failures.
anthony20031
07-27-2009, 09:28 AM
I would like to think meticulous lol. If I haven't been cleaning well enough I would think that the other brands would be having issues as well though
You would be surprised that what you think is clean enough may not be. I am knocking your cleaning skills at all, but I have seen way to many times people say they are having FTE problems we clean the gun and its all good to go.
Nothing really to add to the light primer strike issue. The FTE could be as simple as incompatible ammo as some firearms could prefer certain profile bullets, grain, or power over others. Additionally, look for patterns with the FTE, such as first or last rounds in the magazine. Speaking of magazine, many people may clean their guns but ignore the magazine. Make sure they are clean and lightly lubed and inspect the feed lips. I had a sig mag that had metal fatigue where if loaded full, it would bulge out and interfere with the trigger bar. If you suspect the ammo, try mixing it up with two stone harts and two of another brand in the mag.
my wife had all kinds of FTE issues.. I though it was Stone Heart as well.. put different rounds.. same result.. she was limp wristing the gun..
and it happened with all three 9mm guns I have
So Anthony is limp wristing the gun. Anthony, man up bro. LMAO!!!
LOL, yeah I completely forgot about limp wristing as well. I think that is the number one reason for FTE's. I was at Markham months ago and there was a guy shooting a brand new Berretta 92FS. He kept getting FTE and FTFeed. I saw another guy fire it and it would work fine but in the owner's hands he was experiencing all sorts of issues. The RO tried and then I walked over with good results until it started acting up on us as well. We field cleaned the gun and everything was good and we spent the next few minutes training him how to properly hold the gun. It seems even slight limp wristing will cause issues to surface sooner.
JaxChris
07-27-2009, 12:48 PM
Dan, if you're using an auto pistol you are probably cleaning it "too well". There are areas to avoid spraying/lubing (especially the striker assembly) because that wetness can't really seep out anywhere and the next time you shoot you will have turned it to gum.
Also, it may not be Dan's fault. The gun may not be designed to handle hard primers like CCI (most popular primer of them all). This is a reason many manufacturers say not to use reloaded ammo. Factory primers from Federal and Winchester are soft and not prone to light strikes.
If you want to remedy your weapons problem you can always put a heavier striker spring in. This will allow you to run reloads/non-factory ammo with far greater reliability.
Order a heavier striker spring and take it to Cris to install. He'll likely put things through the sonic cleaner for you while he's at it and knock any unseen gunk off for you too. Afterwards it'll run flawlessly with damn near any ammo you put in it, regardless of its quality.
Ummm, that's all I have for now until you provide more info Dan. =)
I have heard of the Glock 30 being fussy before. Glock is simple to work on and change parts so that's easy enough.
JaxChris
07-27-2009, 01:00 PM
*solved*
WINNER!
anthony20031
07-27-2009, 03:01 PM
whoa what the hell...I leave for a little while and now I come back to be called a limp wrister lol...jk. Umm I don't think it was that as when it first started to happen I made a point of making sure I was not limp wristing and was still having about one per mag FTE. I have only put about 250-300 rounds through the SR9. Also the last two times I have gone I have only used one magazine as I only have two right now and I was too lazy to empty the one mag that I keep in the gun on my nightstand table as it is loaded with the only JHP I have left. I did not want to fire them and only be left with FMJ rounds left for SD purposes and didn't feel like taking them out just to have to put them back in an hour later. I will have to buy more magazines, clean thoroughly the one I have been using and test again to see if that corrects the problem.
anthony20031
07-27-2009, 03:04 PM
oh and not to mention I need to buy some more JHP. I have to say though of the 4 brands I have used - Winchester JHP SXZ (i think), Fiochi, Federal and Stone Hart - I have liked Federal the best.
We just got some more 9mm hollow points in Anthony, get em while there hot. Speer Gold Dot.
anthony20031
07-27-2009, 03:35 PM
Not sure I can afford anything for the next couple months lol...Looks like I may have gotten a house under contract finally...woohoo!
Dan, if you're using an auto pistol you are probably cleaning it "too well". There are areas to avoid spraying/lubing (especially the striker assembly) because that wetness can't really seep out anywhere and the next time you shoot you will have turned it to gum.
Also, it may not be Dan's fault. The gun may not be designed to handle hard primers like CCI (most popular primer of them all). This is a reason many manufacturers say not to use reloaded ammo. Factory primers from Federal and Winchester are soft and not prone to light strikes.
If you want to remedy your weapons problem you can always put a heavier striker spring in. This will allow you to run reloads/non-factory ammo with far greater reliability.
Order a heavier striker spring and take it to Cris to install. He'll likely put things through the sonic cleaner for you while he's at it and knock any unseen gunk off for you too. Afterwards it'll run flawlessly with damn near any ammo you put in it, regardless of its quality.
Ummm, that's all I have for now until you provide more info Dan. =)
I didnt have any issues with the Stone Hart. Is there another Dan on here? I am confused. I was defending Stone Hart saying their ammo has been nothing but good to me.
anthony20031
07-27-2009, 04:01 PM
I think he was referring to Atek lol
I think he was referring to Atek lol
Oh, my mistake. Sorry
JaxChris
07-27-2009, 08:44 PM
No that was my bad. So many replies in here and I was tired. I was speaking to the person with the problem and I thought that was you Dan.
No that was my bad. So many replies in here and I was tired. I was speaking to the person with the problem and I thought that was you Dan.
No problem.
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/pichichi13/HPIM2998.jpg
allot of StoneHeart in the ammo box... plus 10 mags full
just need to find some range time..
JaxChris
08-04-2009, 11:24 PM
So about 1250 rounds huh? Nice work, now go shoot it all so you can be depressed about finding affordable replacement ammo like the rest of us. =)
I have 50rds of .45acp left. I need to make a trip to Miami again but he raised his prices yet again. He had it at $18/box a few weeks ago which was decent but now $21/box, that sucks. I can get ammo anywhere for that price and save myself an hour drive each way.
Secpro
08-05-2009, 12:11 PM
And here I thought Stoneheart would of been a good place to shop. Heard so many good things about the guy and he went and turned into a douche.
That was my thoughts before, why buy from him if you can get the same thing local for around the same price. Not worth an hour trip to me. Dan, I think you should start your own relaoding business, I'll buy from ya. LOL!!
Slowbra01
08-05-2009, 01:15 PM
yeah, its very disappointing to see him turn around and raise ammo prices the way he is doing. i haven't bought from him in a long time, and i don't intend to again unless his prices become reasonable again....if ever.
anthony20031
08-05-2009, 01:20 PM
yh I bought from him once and won't be doing it again. A combo of his prices and distance. I'm actually thinking about getting into reloading more for fun and a hobby and the savings are just an added bonus. But that will come in due time as I got a lot on my plate right now.
It won't be beneficial for a while until the distrubtors start knocking down there prices. Even the components are expensive right, not saving you in the long run. Just buy instead of reloading.
I have hundreds of rounds of brass, if not close to the thousand mark. I have been saving all of my .45 brass, when possible and all my wife's .38 brass. I have been kicking around reloading for a while now but its a sizable investment to get good tools. Eventually I may.
JaxChris
08-05-2009, 04:27 PM
I'm also keeping all my brass now. I got rid of the misc range brass of unknown origin and have keep keeping my once-fired, plus some hand picked/inspected range brass to cover the 10% extra.
I'm still waiting for my reloader to catch up on his orders and get his components flowing again, after that I'll be ordering by the case as long as his prices don't jump. He's still listing 225$/1000 when I call, but can't take any new orders since he's still about 600,000 rounds behind on 45 orders alone.
He guy literally lives at his shop when he has components come in, working from 6am to 9pm each day.
got some ammo today..
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/pichichi13/HPIM3061.jpg
got good prices from Adolfo.. said not to post up prices.. but very similar to the old pricing.. the guy is very cool with me for what its worth.
got:
3000 .223
500 9mm
500 40 Cal
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/pichichi13/HPIM3060.jpg
JaxChris
08-29-2009, 09:31 PM
Ok, may I ask how much YOU would sell ME a 1000 rounds of 5.56 for then? Or is it .223?
That's sad (for us) that he'll do it for you but would rather not advertise to those of use that can't buy 4k rounds at a time. =(
Chris
08-29-2009, 09:53 PM
load ur own!
Bad cop
08-29-2009, 11:55 PM
Always looking for more suppliers.I hope you guys in Florida know just how good you got it.Out here in Ca. ammo is still kinda scarce.Last month I just brokedown and went to the Gun Show at Del Mar.It took me about 45 minutes in line just to get into the building and another 2 1/2 hours in line at one of ammo dealers for a case of 45 ACP.Now ,I am just going to save up and wait the next show---- hopefully there will be a next ----three hours in line beats the heck out of the hit and miss game with at the nearby gun shops.
Sorry I have not been by lately guys,I finally got called back to work after 6 weeks off.
If anyone knows where I can pick up a Walther P22,please shoot me a line at Animal_boc@yahoo.com.My XD45 needs a little brother to pick on.Thanks T/A ,I'll try and get back soon.:bolt:
JaxChris
08-30-2009, 06:45 AM
Check BudsGunShop.com they are on-file for selling to CA. How much as the case of 45 that you stood in line for?
Hopefully everyone will start seeing some ammo coming in.
JaxChris
08-30-2009, 07:26 PM
Not me, the guy still says he doesn't have shipping set up.
Hopefully everyone will start seeing some ammo coming in.
I am hoping that .45 goes down some in price. I cant blow $40 every time I go to the range to practice for 30 mins.
I went down south today to see Adolfo before hitting the range.. he has some very impressive ammo loading equip each capable of doing 5000 rnds/hour.. I picked up his last batch of his originally produced .223 ammo.
The new ammo is made with the same primers and vargat powder, but new brass and hornady bullets.. I also picked up 1000 rnds for a friend of mine but the price has gone up.. they are now over $.40/rnd for .223 and over $.23/rnd of 9mm although he had no 9mm left..
I fired both type today and they performed perfecly.. and clean... I will get you an updated price next time I speak to him..
correction on the .223>> he has the reloaded .223 on his website for $310/1000 this is the same he was selling it before the price hike.
he now has Premium 5.56 all new components at $360/1000
$400/1000 was including tax and for 5.56 on that particular day that I went.. I got a better deal this time around.. :)
I'll be bringing Cris a box to try ... Ill also bring you a couple rnds of 9mm if you like.. not sure if you have a 9mm, let me know
anthony20031
09-03-2009, 12:20 PM
hmmmm if I didn't have to drive all the way to Miami for it it may may be worth it. Pretty sure I can find if for about the same if not lower online...no taxes but I will have to see what shipping adds to it
Yes, I have multiple 9mm's. Thanks Lino.
JaxChris
09-03-2009, 12:24 PM
Cris has an XD-9sc that he carries.
Carrying the Walther PPS 9mm today.
Secpro
09-03-2009, 12:41 PM
Carrying the Walther PPS 9mm today.
What's the ms carrying?
The LCP, she likes how compact that one is. Easier for her to conceal.
Secpro
09-03-2009, 12:45 PM
Cool! I've been looking at getting something like that, but got to many other things on the list.