If Obama is elected....

[LazyMe21]

I found this on another site, thought I would share it up.

Is everyone ready for this? Are we screwed?


FACT: Barack Obama opposes four of the five Supreme Court justices who affirmed an individual right to keep and bear arms. He voted against the confirmation of Alito and Roberts and he has stated he would not have appointed Thomas or Scalia.17
FACT: Barack Obama voted for an Illinois State Senate bill to ban and confiscate “assault weapons,” but the bill was so poorly crafted, it would have also banned most semi-auto and single and double barrel shotguns commonly used by sportsmen.18
FACT: Barack Obama voted to allow reckless lawsuits designed to bankrupt the firearms industry.1
FACT: Barack Obama wants to re-impose the failed and discredited Clinton Gun Ban.15
FACT: Barack Obama voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting.3
FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a 500% increase in the federal excise tax on firearms and ammunition.9
FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a complete ban on handgun ownership.2
FACT: Barack Obama supports local gun bans in Chicago, Washington, D.C., and other cities.4
FACT: Barack Obama voted to uphold local gun bans and the criminal prosecution of people
who use firearms in self-defense.5
FACT: Barack Obama supports gun owner licensing and gun registration.6
FACT: Barack Obama refused to sign a friend-of-the-court Brief in support of individual Second Amendment rights in the Heller case.
FACT: Barack Obama opposes Right to Carry laws.7
FACT: Barack Obama was a member of the Board of Directors of the Joyce Foundation, the leading source of funds for anti-gun organizations and “research.”8
FACT: Barack Obama supported a proposal to ban gun stores within 5 miles of a school or park, which would eliminate almost every gun store in America.9
FACT: Barack Obama voted not to notify gun owners when the state of Illinois did records searches on them.10
FACT: Barack Obama voted against a measure to lower the Firearms Owners Identification card age minimum from 21 to 18, a measure designed to assist young people in the military.11
FACT: Barack Obama favors a ban on standard capacity magazines.12
FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory micro-stamping.13
FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory waiting periods.2
FACT: Barack Obama supports repeal of the Tiahrt Amendment, which prohibits information on gun traces collected by the BATFE from being used in reckless lawsuits against firearm dealers and manufacturers.14
FACT: Barack Obama supports one-gun-a-month handgun purchase restrictions.16
FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on inexpensive handguns.9
FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on the resale of police issued firearms, even if the money is going to police departments for replacement equipment.9
FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory firearm training requirements for all gun owners and a ban on gun ownership for persons under the age of 21.9


1. United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 219, July 29, 2005. (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LI...1&vote =00219)
2. Independent Voters of Illinois/Independent Precinct Organization general candidate questionnaire, Sept. 9, 1996. The responses on this survey were described in “Obama had greater role on liberal survey,” Politico, March 31, 2008. (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9269.html)
3. United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 217, Kennedy amendment July 29, 2005. (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LI...1&vote =00217)
4. David Wright, Ursula Fahy and Sunlen Miller, "Obama: 'Common Sense Regulation' On Gun Owners' Rights," ABC News' "Political Radar" Blog, http://blogs.abcnews.com, 2/15/08. (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalra...common-se.html)
5. Illinois Senate, SB 2165, March 25, 2004, vote 20 and May 25, 2004, vote 3.
6. “Fact Check: No News In Obama's Consistent Record.” Obama ’08, December 11, 2007. (http://www.barackobama.com/factcheck...n_obamas_c.php)
7. “Candidates' gun control positions may figure in Pa. vote,” Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, Wednesday, April 2, 2008, and "Keyes, Obama Are Far Apart On Guns," Chicago Tribune, 9/15/04. (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pitt.../s_560181.html)
8. 1998 Joyce Foundation Annual Report, p. 7.
9. “Obama and Gun Control,” The Volokh Conspiracy, taken from the Chicago Defender, Dec. 13, 1999. (http://www.volokh.com/posts/1203389334.shtml)
10. Illinois Senate, May 5, 2002, SB 1936 Con., vote 26.
11. Illinois Senate, March 25, 2003, SB 2163, vote 18.
12. “Clinton, Edwards, Obama on gun control,” Radio Iowa, Sunday, April 22, 2007. (http://learfield.typepad.com/radioio...n_edwards.html)
13. Chicago Tribune blogs, “Barack Obama: NIU Shootings call for action,” February 15, 2008, (http://blogs.trb.com/news/politics/b..._on_shoot.html)
14. Barack Obama campaign website: “As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment . . .” (http://www.barackobama.com/issues/ur...aw-enforcement.)
15. Illinois Senate Debate #3: Barack Obama vs. Alan Keyes (http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Bara...un_Control.htm and http://www.ontheissues.org/IL_2004_Senate_3rd.htm) Oct 21, 2004.
16. Illinois Senate, May 16, 2003, HB 2579, vote 34.
17. United States Senate vote 245, September 29, 2005 and vote 2, January 31, 2006 and Saddleback Forum, August 16, 2008.
18. Illinois Senate Judiciary Committee, March 13, 2003. To see the vote tally go to: http://www.nrapvf.org/Media/pdf/sb1195_obama.p
Messages In This Thread

[Dave]

I don't think there are any Obama supporters here. :D

[Cris]

Nope, none here.

[Satan_3pc]

Well I'm certainly not a McCain supporter that's for sure. I think the guy is a fucking snake. You can't win. We either lose our guns, or we start WW III and we all die. Soooo w/e

[Dave]

Well I'm certainly not a McCain supporter that's for sure. I think the guy is a fucking snake. You can't win. We either lose our guns, or we start WW III and we all die. Soooo w/e

McCain is a snake? How so?

Look at Obama's associations....Wright, Rezko, Ayers, Jones, Pfleger, Kahlidi...the list is fucking ridiculous! Crooks and terrorists.

And why do you think we'll start WWIII with McCain? Where are you getting your information from? :confused:

[Satan_3pc]

Russia launched a test nuclear missile a few weeks back. They're shaking their saber. The republicans want to continue this funding Georgia crap which is complete stupidity, and it's just going to further piss the rest of the world off, which they'll get sick of eventually. It has nothing to do with us. Unless of course there's a greedy motive behind it. Which there always is. I am sick of seeing the greed of few bring the suffering of many. All empires fall sooner or later; history always repeats itself. If I had it my way all the politicians, oil company CEOs and Bank owners would be dead.

Yummy media koolaid. We're all slaves. Things are never what they seem. Personally I think shit is going to get bad around the world, and that gave me all the more reason to stock up on guns now.

Not to mention I am going to be working for a union soon and republicans are always against unions because they're greedy pigs. I don't hate one party or the other, I just hate both and everyone. :)

Just so we're not being biased here, I'll play other side for a second and point out how McCain, seemingly overnight, changed everything he stood for when it looked like Obama's campaign theme was working better. So, although most of you could probably say the same about Obama, that just proves that McCain is full of shit and is only trying to win, no matter the cost. Screw honesty, he just wants the position of power. He comes from a oil family just like Bush. If he really wanted the best for the country he would have stood by his plans that he supposedly believed would help us. Now he's doing a 180 on his views just to win, and personally I just think he's lying when he talks. Reptilian body language. Also, ever notice how he never explains how he's going to accomplish any of his plans? "My opponent will do this, I will do the opposite, my opponent will do this, again I will do the opposite blah blah blah!" At least Obama is a convincing liar.

Ok, I'm done. Now go take some acid and trip until everything becomes a void of nothingness and all is one.

[raven_hammer]

I aint voting for the guy. I think we're screwed with either choice, but once again it's pick the lesser or 2 evils.

[Satan_3pc]

Always is.

[Cris]

McCain is a snake? How so?

Look at Obama's associations....Wright, Rezko, Ayers, Jones, Pfleger, Kahlidi...the list is fucking ridiculous! Crooks and terrorists.

And why do you think we'll start WWIII with McCain? Where are you getting your information from? :confused:


This is all politicians, it only matters how it affects them.

[chrismia]

i'm moving to canada

[raven_hammer]

My pops is in Cost Rica. Gets too nutty you'll find me down there.

[Dave]

Russia launched a test nuclear missile a few weeks back. They're shaking their saber. The republicans want to continue this funding Georgia crap which is complete stupidity, and it's just going to further piss the rest of the world off, which they'll get sick of eventually. It has nothing to do with us. Unless of course there's a greedy motive behind it. Which there always is. I am sick of seeing the greed of few bring the suffering of many. All empires fall sooner or later; history always repeats itself. If I had it my way all the politicians, oil company CEOs and Bank owners would be dead.

Yummy media koolaid. We're all slaves. Things are never what they seem. Personally I think shit is going to get bad around the world, and that gave me all the more reason to stock up on guns now.

Not to mention I am going to be working for a union soon and republicans are always against unions because they're greedy pigs. I don't hate one party or the other, I just hate both and everyone. :)

Just so we're not being biased here, I'll play other side for a second and point out how McCain, seemingly overnight, changed everything he stood for when it looked like Obama's campaign theme was working better. So, although most of you could probably say the same about Obama, that just proves that McCain is full of shit and is only trying to win, no matter the cost. Screw honesty, he just wants the position of power. He comes from a oil family just like Bush. If he really wanted the best for the country he would have stood by his plans that he supposedly believed would help us. Now he's doing a 180 on his views just to win, and personally I just think he's lying when he talks. Reptilian body language. Also, ever notice how he never explains how he's going to accomplish any of his plans? "My opponent will do this, I will do the opposite, my opponent will do this, again I will do the opposite blah blah blah!" At least Obama is a convincing liar.

Ok, I'm done. Now go take some acid and trip until everything becomes a void of nothingness and all is one.

Yes, they are acting up. This has been going on for a while though. They've been arming Venezuela, and now they've created this energy partnership. I think Georgia was about a pipeline, and about Russia showing everybody they don't give a fuck. At the end of the day, McCain is the one that is pro-military, while Obama wants to cut funding. Now is definitely not the time.

Shit is going to get bad globally. We've built a global economy. Everyone will be affected by our financial issues. The media might be full of shit, but the level of bullshit depends on where you're getting your news from. The problem is that most people are fed through flaming liberal papers and TV.

McCain is against unions, and I understand why. Unions typically don't serve the best interests of the members, they serve the people running them. i.e....Ali left the Broward Teacher's Union because it was total bullshit. They couldn't get a damn thing done, and she's gotta pay dues. What they did get done was a raise that was barely enough to cover the dues. Fucking worthless. Unions are completely bad though, IMO.

What exactly did McCain change, his theme? Maybe they felt that they needed to make it clear that they are about change too...and better change IMO. Changing a campaign theme is not changing policies. Obama and Biden are all over that. Shit...Biden clearly stated that Obama doesn't have the experience to be president.

What are McCain's family ties to oil? I don't know anything about that.

I think McCain's body language may be a cause of his torture.


This is all politicians, it only matters how it affects them.

True enough, but the people Obama is associated with are much worse than most.

[Alicia]

Nope, none here.

Youd be surprised... :rolleyes:


i'm moving to canada

Not with your guns, youre not.

We're going to be making a GIANT white reflective McCain decal for the back of the truck window this weekend. Its a good way to piss all the liberal pansies off in coral springs, i cant wait! :D

[Cris]

Remember to post pics of it.

[Alicia]

you know it. :D we're making it now!

[cadillacdude1975]

NOBama.

the problem with saying that tiny phrase here in the south is it pisses the rednecks off. "What u mean u dun like Bama football??!?!?!"

hahah

[Dave]

NOBama.

the problem with saying that tiny phrase here in the south is it pisses the rednecks off. "What u mean u dun like Bama football??!?!?!"

hahah

Just gotta spell it out for them....bahma bad, behma good. :D

[Alicia]

if obama is elected i will cry.

[Satan_3pc]

Geez, should have seen the VP debate. Palin is such a moron. She didn't even answer the questions right. She's like what's that mean? I'll just blab about some other bullshit with my fake persona tee hee hee look at my smile, it never changes!

[Dave]

Geez, should have seen the VP debate. Palin is such a moron. She didn't even answer the questions right. She's like what's that mean? I'll just blab about some other bullshit with my fake persona tee hee hee look at my smile, it never changes!

I don't think she did bad at all. Most important was that she didn't fuck up. She held her own though.

[Satan_3pc]

They would ask specific questions about the role as VP and she'd go off saying Oh the middle class, I'm a mom, John McCain and I are Mavericks over 9000, energy policies blah blah blah.

I use to be a nine inch nails fanatic. It took me awhile in the middle of my biased craze to realize that the last two albums I had been fed were actually total shit.

[Dave]

They would ask specific questions about the role as VP and she'd go off saying Oh the middle class, I'm a mom, John McCain and I are Mavericks over 9000, energy policies blah blah blah.

I use to be a nine inch nails fanatic. It took me awhile in the middle of my biased craze to realize that the last two albums I had been fed were actually total shit.

Well I guess that's where we differ. I knew the last two NIN albums were shit the first time I heard them. Sarah Palin still has my support though. :D

[Cris]

I thought all NIN albmus were shit. What did they have, 2 hits?

[Dave]

No way! Further down the Spiral was their last good album.

[Alicia]

Well I guess that's where we differ. I knew the last two NIN albums were shit the first time I heard them. Sarah Palin still has my support though. :D

+1

[Satan_3pc]

I thought all NIN albmus were shit. What did they have, 2 hits?Well that's your opinion. I'm sure we could talk about metal bands all day long together. As far as NIN goes... I liked the first 4 albums.