View Full Version : When was the last time you had to go hand to hand
not like in a gay way :raspberry:
Seriously, when was the last time you were forced to fight?
do you practice any skills?
I have two kids that are 11 and 12 and are 1 belt away from black in Tae Kwon Do (SPELLING) and they are alway using this shit on me..
Tae Kwon Do is usless, get them into something else. No fight ever stays far away enough to pull off the karate kid moves.
Secpro
12-18-2009, 01:09 PM
Tae Kwon Do is usless, get them into something else. No fight ever stays far away enough to pull off the karate kid moves.
:+1: That high flying shit wont cut it in a real brawl.
Secpro
12-18-2009, 01:12 PM
Last time i got into a really good hand to hand situation was 10/10.
Scumbag took a swing at me while we were trying to escort is young dumbass.
Muah Tai and othe CQC skills is what I practice. Been looking at grappling and other techniques also. Anything close up and personal is where I put my focus. If it's going to happen hand to hand will surely be right in your face!
RCSRT8
12-18-2009, 01:17 PM
Good thing your practice Muay Thai and dont practice spelling it
Secpro
12-18-2009, 01:24 PM
Good thing your practice Muay Thai and dont practice spelling it
Yeah my spelling blows, if my fighting was anything like it I'd be pretty fucked to say the least.
chrismia
12-18-2009, 02:54 PM
most fights end up on the ground. brazilian jiu jitsu would be what i would go with.
even a man with my frame/size could subdue a guy like cris...
Jiu Jitsu and Muay Tai are the two disciplines I want to study for self defense.
even a man with my frame/size could subdue a guy like cris...
you two been wrestling lately? :bolt:
Satan_3pc
12-18-2009, 09:04 PM
Martial arts is highly misunderstood in this country. I study what you would call "Kung Fu." Kung Fu just means perfecting an art, in Chinese. Our lineage is actually linked to some of the famous martial families in China such as Choy, Li, Ho, and even the Shaolin temple. My teacher was a first generation student of a man born pre-WW II name Chin Siu Dek(Jimmy Woo once he got to America) that had to come here due to the Japanese military shooting his entire lineage of fighters, including his Uncle who taught him and was Overlord of their entire province. In a way our group is sort of a part of history. It goes pretty deep. The Japanese feared the Chinese martial arts fighters, because they were better than the Japanese(seeing how all Asian martial arts primarily were taken from China). They sought out to systematically destroy them all. That's a part of WW II history they don't often teach in America.
Anyways, Cris is right. Tae Kwon Do is absolutely useless. Unless you're looking for an overpriced day-care. My teacher teaches us the unaltered art of Choy Li Haw Fut Hung Ga(written in the pinyin dialect of Cantonese, for the names of the families it was derived from). It includes combinations of striking, grappling, take downs, throws etc. Our kicks are always low, to take out the knees with your shin or smash the groin. We have very brutal attacks that include palm strikes to the face while stabbing the eye socket with the thumb, snapping the neck, hitting vital organs, nerves, and sensitive spots. It's very effective, and the training is very hard. Lots of core training, push ups, sitting in low stances for minutes at a time, repetitive drills etc. Very healthy too. Some studies show this particular training has fought off diseases, sometimes even cancer if done A LOT.
Jiu-Jitsu has grown in popularity because of the UFC, and mixed martial arts craze. In reality, it's just a system of take downs. A truly good fighter would not be taken down so easily. In fact if you faced a truly skilled Chinese martial artist, they'd likely smash your knees, break your jaw, and possibly snap your neck before you had a chance to do something as careless as put your head down and dive inwards into a persons center core. I won't make any high claims for myself, because I don't train nearly enough to compete with the speed of a UFC fighter, but on the streets, this training has given me confidence that I would not be defeated so easily. Then again so has my concealed weapons permit. lol
The stuff we do is taught to Marines and Special Forces teams. Unfortunately, you probably won't find a good "Kung Fu" studio in your area that hasn't watered the art down and turned it into a modern karate class. I heard there's a group in our lineage in south Florida somewhere(not a first gen student of Chin Siu Dek) but I am not sure. I could find out. There's very few great martial groups left in this part of the world, but I am pretty confident we're one of them, and if you really want to look into it I can ask my teacher if we have a group down there, as I am pretty sure I have over heard.
As for experience with these skills? I fortunately have not had to really use it. I have messed around before. People have acted like they were going to punch me playing around and with out thinking I have smashed their arms out of the way with the hard outside part of my forearms(A sort of offensive block/strike we use to counter certain attacks.). One of my friends told me every time I do that I hit a nerve, in the same spot, that sends a shock through his arm, and I do it without thinking. I also got into a wrestling match with a 40 year old guy at work and took him down with a sweep that uses a sort of "clothes-line strike with the forearm to the front of the throat, while your leg sweeps the back of the knees. It gets them VERY light on their feet. :) He was a big strong black guy, and he got me into some holds, but I felt pretty good about getting that one off on him lol.
anthony20031
12-18-2009, 11:08 PM
been really really wanting to take a class
Mikerod22
12-19-2009, 03:47 AM
It all depends on how you apply what you have learned. Sure taekwondo might be highly ineffective but so can every other art out there. I practice martial arts and i believe one of the key things you have to learn in order to be successful in any art is how the body works and reacting off of muscle memory as appose to our animal instincts to shelter ourselves. this is why satan is able to hit his friends in what seems to be the radial nerve each time without thinking.brazilian jiujitsu is a more sporterized(sp?) version of Jiu jitsu which originated in japan but in its original form it was meant to throw and break bones. And many if not all samurai's had practiced some form of throwing. And sure these forms may have came from china but they each adapted and made them their own to what best suited them.Im surprised no one has brought up Krav Maga or hagannah since it takes a bit from all arts to find what is most effective inorder to control the situation. Those seem to be the top choices for close quarters combat. Muay thai might be effective but what we see now is still a more sport oriented fighting system. arnis has its open hand combat aswell but if im correct this is taught after you have learned to work with sticks and knife. Which i believe is the smarter choice for defense purposes because in this day and age none fights hand2hand anymore.
Im not saying any art is more superior to another because each has its benefits. I would not want to get kicked by any person throwing a taekwondo kick or any kick for that matter. Having competed in kickboxing and San Shou events( all amateur tournaments and by no means am i implying that i am some sort of bad ass because i stay as far away from fighting outside of the ring as possible) and kicks to any part of the body is extremely uncomfortable. i respect everyone who takes the time to learn a form of martial arts
Anyone interested in watching some kickboxing fights in s.fl or know anyone that wants to compete we are throwing a kickboxing tournament on Jan 16 go to acom-sports.net for more information =)
Satan_3pc
12-19-2009, 08:24 AM
Yeah, I was sort of trying to make a similar point, while bragging about my own art lol. I agree, there really isn't anything more superior than another. My teacher always says that it really depends on how much they train their basics. A boxer will practice their "old one two" over and over and over and over again. If you asked them how many times they've done it, they'd laugh in your face. Unfortunately most martial groups in this country don't train like this anymore.
It's funny.... martial arts is the only "sport" in which people think they can become good with out working extremely hard on repetitive basics. In every other art they practice their basics over and over and over again. Do these people think they just memorize a play in football and then execute it? No, they do all that funny stuff like run through tires and obstacles that help them build up their basics so that they have the skills and muscle memory to efficiently execute their play. Same thing with martial arts forms. A lot of these guys nowadays think they can memorize a form, half ass it, and then pay $50 to take a test and get their next belt rank. What they don't know is that they're being ripped off, and that a form is meant to be done hundreds of times a day. The Chinese have sacred numbers. They will often run a form 108 times a day with speed and power behind every strike. That hurts, and I can't do it. lol
Mikerod22
12-19-2009, 10:01 AM
So true as they say repetition is the mother of all skills. but now a days people only want to get that blackbelt/sash around their waist and focus on doing just enough to achieve this and usually quit after receiving their belts. I think thats the major flaw in american systems they put so much emphasis on belts that people fail to learn and only worry about getting to the next belt.Keep in mind that martial arts here in america is much different then it/was in china. They would dedicate their entire lives to martial arts that their religion while here it is simply a recreation for the most part.their are the select few who use it as something more then just a sport and really dedicate themselves to the art. and then the select few who use their martial arts training for the battle field usually learn a hybrid system designed for that. and i agree 108 times i way beyond the amount of times i would be able to practice my forms. and there are a few good school down here in S florida. If anyone would like me to recommend them a school in their area let me know as i do have a HUGE list of schools along with addresses and number that we use to promote our events =)
anthony20031
12-19-2009, 12:01 PM
Me and my wife have been throwing around taking classes and like I said before I would love to get into it. What good schools are around Plantation?
Mikerod22
12-20-2009, 02:15 AM
I would suggest two schools depending on what your looking for... If you want traditional martial arts such as kung fu with form work and kickboxing i would suggest John Wai kung fu academy. They are across the street from Broward mall( or whatever they just changed it too) i believe Hagganah is also in plantation but i could be wrong. THey are more self defense based with alot of Police /military style training. If not tell me what your looking for and i can find you a school
JaxChris
12-20-2009, 02:28 PM
Have not been hand-to-hand combat since the Army. Honestly, diffusing a situation is best. There is nothing weak about being the one to know getting into a fight is pointless and is just a way to land yourself in trouble and lose your liberties.
If you needed any skills to help end a situation, then anything that deals with lots of grappling will serve you best. Muay Thai or Greco wrestling would be my suggestion.
Mikerod22
12-20-2009, 02:47 PM
diffusing is the best thing to do in such a situation. Muay thai and greco wrestling are both great arts although MT isnt really a grappling art apart from the clinches. Greco wrestling is great. A few arts that would be great for such thinks are Akido and hapkido.
Billy
12-20-2009, 06:20 PM
not like in a gay way :raspberry:
Seriously, when was the last time you were forced to fight?
do you practice any skills?
I have two kids that are 11 and 12 and are 1 belt away from black in Tae Kwon Do (SPELLING) and they are alway using this shit on me..
No, thats why I carry a gun and several other concealed weapons. And I do practice with them.
Last time I fought was like highschool shit. I am a very low key and easy going person. Takes a lot to get me going.
Secpro
12-21-2009, 09:40 AM
Have not been hand-to-hand combat since the Army. Honestly, diffusing a situation is best. There is nothing weak about being the one to know getting into a fight is pointless and is just a way to land yourself in trouble and lose your liberties.
If you needed any skills to help end a situation, then anything that deals with lots of grappling will serve you best. Muay Thai or Greco wrestling would be my suggestion.
If diffusing worked all the time that would be awesome, but unfortunately we don't live in that perfect world.
anthony20031
12-21-2009, 09:47 AM
I would suggest two schools depending on what your looking for... If you want traditional martial arts such as kung fu with form work and kickboxing i would suggest John Wai kung fu academy. They are across the street from Broward mall( or whatever they just changed it too) i believe Hagganah is also in plantation but i could be wrong. THey are more self defense based with alot of Police /military style training. If not tell me what your looking for and i can find you a school
Well don't know exactly but it is something my wife also wants to participate in as well. I want something that is as practical as possible. On her end she just doesn't want to be rolling around on the ground with someone wrestling. You know she wants to do the "cool" kicks and stuff. The more practical I can get it though the better.
anybody see strickforce on ShowTime.. Cung Lee was kicking his opponents ass for two rounds.. back kick to the chest,kick to the head.. spinning back fists.. round house kicks.. picked the guy up and dropped him on his head..
last round the opponent fakes a right and throws a left.. KNOCKOUT..
Mikerod22
12-21-2009, 02:47 PM
Well don't know exactly but it is something my wife also wants to participate in as well. I want something that is as practical as possible. On her end she just doesn't want to be rolling around on the ground with someone wrestling. You know she wants to do the "cool" kicks and stuff. The more practical I can get it though the better.
Then i would suggest John Wai... They are a kung fu school so they do all the Kicks and stuff but they also have kickboxing which tends to be more practical nothing like Krav Maga or haganah But it gets the job done. They are a really good school. See their guys compete at an event in orlando and they have awesome competitors.
Their website
www.floridakungfu.com
Also look at Haganah they are a bit further though
http://www.haganah-usa.com/
These guys have competed at our events but besides that i dont really have information on them you would have to try them out ourself
http://www.templeartsfitness.com/professionals/
anthony20031
12-21-2009, 03:12 PM
So I assume from a practical standpoint you would suggest haganah first over Wai. Tough though cus that Haganah place doesn't seem to do weekends and is tough for me during the week. Wai does have some weekend classes
I highly suggest....
YouTube - Jim Carrey's Karate School of Self Defence! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1JOhuuaYpg)
anthony20031
12-21-2009, 04:08 PM
LOL
Mikerod22
12-21-2009, 04:29 PM
Cris suggestion would definitely be my first choice haha but yes practical i would do haganah. Instructor there is definitely a force to be messed with. I know for sure that he trains and trains with LEO's in south Florida as i have seen him in seminars that i have attended . trying to think of other places in that area but those are my recommendation i know for sure they have quality martial arts. if your willing to travel more then i can give you more choices. My school is relocating to dania right off of 595 and we have classes on the weekends and cover both Your flashy and Practical.
Also,
Anyone interested in Knife work in S.Florida let me know. Our school does knife work seminars with Bram Frank( look him up he has developed his own system and is highly respected in the Knife world) so i can put your email on the mailing list for when we comes give a seminar.
i know it seems like im some sort of know all which isnt the case. I am just really involved in martial arts in this area. Its what got me into guns in the first place since many of the people i train along side are also gun owners.
HarleyD
01-13-2010, 11:33 PM
I had a knife pulled on me a few months ago, I practice Krav. Poor guy never knew what hit him. XD
IraG2362
01-14-2010, 07:23 AM
At first I wasnt really thinking much about this thread then I realised i go at it all the time at work when at the hospital. At least 2x a week I am either restraining , tackling or flat out swinging/grappling with those who have either been over served, over medicated or just plain out of their minds..lol
JaxChris
01-14-2010, 07:07 PM
Saturday night @ 230am breaking up a brawl outside of my apartment building. Half tempted to pull out my 45. Just got home from Jacksonville and was welcomed with that bullshit... fun! I hate drunks.
Mikerod22
01-14-2010, 07:43 PM
that suck! glad it was an attempt and didnt achieve in pulling it our. At least your safe
spikes40
01-14-2010, 07:47 PM
I had a knife pulled on me a few months ago, I practice Krav. Poor guy never knew what hit him. XD
now thats hot... i like a girl hat can kick some ass
Satan_3pc
01-14-2010, 11:51 PM
Saturday night @ 230am breaking up a brawl outside of my apartment building. Half tempted to pull out my 45. Just got home from Jacksonville and was welcomed with that bullshit... fun! I hate drunks.You know that's a big no no! You'd give me a speech on all the legal reasons why that would be a bad idea if I had said that.
JaxChris
01-15-2010, 01:15 AM
I know it is... just vocalizing the same thoughts anyone has. The difference is we don't do. But punks and scum just give us so many reasons to do it. lol
Satan_3pc
01-15-2010, 07:49 PM
Well I'll tell you where I would have pulled my gun out at. That place here in Florida where that older guy shot and killed two women and then later killed a police captain at a gas station. If there had been a good concealed carrier around things may have been different.
GT03235
01-16-2010, 12:33 PM
lol i come from Wales pubs are a common place to have a scuffle.:suicide1:
liquidsniper
01-22-2010, 03:39 PM
Last good Hand to hand fight I had was back in 2004. Me and a buddy outnumbered 2 v5. Long story short, they bumrushed us all at once, I had to deal with three of them while my buddy had two coming after him, buddy turned and ran (got chased down and stabbed) while I stood my ground. My fight was like fighting in a phone booth. I grabbed the first one with the right hand and started giving him upper cuts to the gut while number 2 was trying to push me to the ground. Let go of number 1 after a few good hits (knew he was hurt, could hear him gasping after I let him go) and turned my attention to number 2. All the while number 3 decided to pick up a tire iron I had been using to change a flat tire and blindsided me as soon as I pushed number 1 away from me. I still have a scar from that on the corner of my left eye to remind me of it and remind me of the reason why I carry.
RCSRT8
01-22-2010, 04:48 PM
lol i come from Wales pubs are a common place to have a scuffle.:suicide1:
Reminds me of Green Street Hooligans
anthony20031
01-22-2010, 04:53 PM
How did you like that movie. I've gots it on DVD!
RCSRT8
01-22-2010, 07:19 PM
I bought it on DVD after I saw the bootleg. Got it from Cris, not sure if you were the one who recommended it, but it was awesome. GSH2 on the other hand was ok, but didn't have the same life in it.
anthony20031
01-22-2010, 09:23 PM
yh I told him about. I haven't seen the second one. I heard about it but it didn't seem like it would be nearly as good as the first one.
mercop
05-17-2010, 12:06 PM
I have not put my hands on somebody in the line of duty since I retired from LE in 2007. Now that I am a full time trainer it is pretty much every week, even if just with my kids or buddies. Here is a picture of my daughter (the brunette) and another 13 year old during a Spontaneous Attack Survival for Edged Weapons this past SAT. First we went open hand, then training knives, and then 350,000 stun guns. The other girl came to the class with her father.
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j22/mercop/SASII.jpg?t=1274112101
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j22/mercop/14MAY061.jpg?t=1274112361
very cool.. I would like to see more pics, perhaps a vid of this training..
JaxChris
05-17-2010, 06:03 PM
Hmm, either work is block photobucket all of a sudden or that site is having trouble. Don't see shit... but imageshack and tinypic are working fine for me. I doubt work would block one but not the rest.
Secpro
05-18-2010, 07:09 AM
Pics are still up Jax. Must be the work protector.
Pics are still up Jax. Must be the work protector.
no... last night I had the same issue..
Secpro
05-18-2010, 02:23 PM
Then that makes me think that we might have a glitch with the site here then. Every so often pics don't show here and it gives a small red X. I assume it's the work protector jamming it up.
JaxChris
05-18-2010, 04:02 PM
Then that makes me think that we might have a glitch with the site here then. Every so often pics don't show here and it gives a small red X. I assume it's the work protector jamming it up.
No it was definitely Photobucket. Some of their servers were down for about 4 hours yesterday. You didn't notice because you already had the pics cached from viewing them before they went down. It's all good now.