PDA

View Full Version : Washington State is attempting an AWB



JaxChris
01-20-2010, 11:22 AM
If you know anyone in Washington state, please refer them to the link below to read the bill and make the calls to their state senator to get this stopped. First motion on this bill has taken place on 01/13/10.

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=6396&year=2009

Anything with a magazine, holds more than 10 rounds, and has a pistol grip behind the trigger (what weapon doesn't?) is classified as an Assault Weapon. This bill is seriously jacked. You would expect California or New York to have this kind of heavily restricted bill.

Might as well kiss most Semi-Auto pistols goodbye also with the way they will attempt to interpret this once if it passes.

My commentary is in red...


(20) "Assault weapon" means:
8 (a) Any semiautomatic pistol or semiautomatic or pump-action rifle
9 or shotgun that is capable of accepting a detachable magazine, with a
10 capacity to accept more then ten rounds of ammunition and that also
11 possesses any of the following:
12 (i) If the firearm is a rifle or shotgun, a pistol grip located
13 rear of the trigger; [so it is legal if you shoot backwards... like in your own face?]
14 (ii) If the firearm is a rifle or shotgun, a stock in any
15 configuration, including but not limited to a thumbhole stock, a
16 folding stock or a telescoping stock, that allows the bearer of the
17 firearm to grasp the firearm with the trigger hand such that the web of
18 the trigger hand, between the thumb and forefinger, can be placed below
19 the top of the external portion of the trigger during firing; [what? did he just say something about my mother?]
20 (iii) If the firearm is a pistol, a shoulder stock of any type or
21 configuration, including but not limited to a folding stock or a
22 telescoping stock;
23 (iv) A barrel shroud; [i.e. Handguard or Rail system, good bye all rifles with a magazine]
24 (v) A muzzle brake or muzzle compensator;
25 (vi) Any feature capable of functioning as a protruding grip that
26 can be held by the hand that is not the trigger hand; [i.e. no more magwell holds for you]
27 (b) Any pistol that is capable of accepting a detachable magazine
28 at any location outside of the pistol grip;
29 (c) Any semiautomatic pistol, any semiautomatic, center-fire rifle,
30 or any shotgun with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept
31 more than ten rounds of ammunition; [so wait, I can pin a 10-round mag into the lower and pull the take down pin to reload? there is hope... if you remove the handguard, shave the magwell, use a 16"+ bull barrel, a monsterman grip, and a fixed stock]
32 (d) Any shotgun capable of accepting a detachable magazine;
33 (e) Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder;
34 (f) Any conversion kit or other combination of parts from which an
35 assault weapon can be assembled if the parts are in the possession or
36 under the control of any person.

ss1
01-20-2010, 03:13 PM
"Assault weapon" means:
(a) Any semiautomatic pistol or semiautomatic or pump-action rifle or shotgun that is capable of accepting a detachable magazine, with a capacity to accept more then ten rounds of ammunition and that also possesses any of the following:


(d) Any shotgun capable of accepting a detachable magazine;

Up until this point sporterized Saiga 12's were ok. Overall, it seems along the same lines as the current ban in Kommifornia. It has always surprised me how much influence a cluster urban population in a very rural State can drive policy 180 degrees from the general demographics.

JaxChris
01-20-2010, 03:20 PM
Yea, their ban basically fucks everything. Hell, I actually think California allows AR pistols, as long as they have bullet buttons, but WA version would ban those entirely - along with any similarly designed weapons.

Satan_3pc
01-20-2010, 08:19 PM
Washington?!?!? They're so rural. That's bullshit. They probably have more hunting than Florida.

Fags.

JaxChris
01-21-2010, 02:51 AM
It's a bunch of whiny scared bitches crowded in Seattle fucking it up for the rest of the state. Kind of like those bored housewives in Jacksonville that started the petitions that cost everyone else the right to smoke wherever the fuck they want.

I feel like I'm in a dream when I'm in Georgia or the Carolinas and the hostess asks "smoking or non?" lol

ss1
01-21-2010, 08:55 AM
Washington?!?!? They're so rural. That's bullshit. They probably have more hunting than Florida.

Fags.
That's just it. It's carefully worded to exclude most traditional hunting rifles, shotguns and pistols so as to not piss of the majority of the hunters. I still get frustrated with some hunters who think there's no place for a "assault style" rifle in civi hands.

Satan_3pc
01-21-2010, 04:29 PM
Well, the way it is going, they're all going to fucking realize why we needed them when it's to late. Bring on Obama's homeland security military! Get your papers and ID ready for inspection!

JaxChris
01-22-2010, 01:11 AM
Yea, good luck with single-shot bolt action rifles when the chinese come invading our ass for non-payment on our debts. How cares if you fire .308's... I can fire 10 rounds of 5.56 in the time you can fire 2 (and that's if YOU are quick).

Should we go back to musket pistols as well? I'm all for being a pirate, but I'll stay in the modern world TYVM.

Satan_3pc
01-22-2010, 11:05 PM
Hey, .308 could be useful at picking off Chinese if we find a good vantage point.

Puffer
05-06-2010, 03:54 AM
Washington?!?!? They're so rural. That's bullshit. They probably have more hunting than Florida.

Fags.

YEP!!

A Washingtonian

Puffer

Puffer
05-06-2010, 04:57 AM
It's a bunch of whiny scared bitches crowded in Seattle fucking it up for the rest of the state. l

YEP. We get these type "bills" all the time. :ohnoes: BUT contrary to some ill informed people, that do not live here, there are a NUMBER of individuals out here that keep the "pussy's" in line. ( so far:sigh:)

BTW, in a 20 mi radius of me we have over a dozen outdoor Ranges ( the largest & newest is part of a King County Gun park :flex:( Seattle is part of KC),Plus @ least 10 indoor ranges, we can carry open ( no permit) Must issue CC ( no classes) one of the largest "cadre" of "firearm instructors" in the USA ( Front Sights, NRA etc), Etc.

How does your state add up ???

Do we have our :yikes: = Yes. but we handle them by being DILIGENT. Are we the "best" as far as 2nd Amendments Rights = HELL NO . but we AINT the worst

Puffer

JaxChris
05-06-2010, 06:04 AM
Glad you are keeping them at bay.

Open Carry = I approve
No training CC = I disapprove
Lots of ranges for proper practice = I approve

ss1
05-06-2010, 09:38 AM
As long as there is a hardship free alternative to the NRA class (although I think the Hunter Safety Class is an NRA class as well), I am fine with mandatory training. There's certainly a valid argument against it, as I feel we also have the right to open carry without restrictions as long as we can legally own a weapon. If there was a need to use it to protect your life when open carrying, I'm not sure how I can make the argument that a class requirement is somehow different for a ccw holder in the same situation. But, at least a slightly firearm safety educated yahoo is better than an ignorant one.

Puffer
05-06-2010, 02:29 PM
As long as there is a hardship free alternative to the NRA class (although I think the Hunter Safety Class is an NRA class as well), I am fine with mandatory training. There's certainly a valid argument against it, as I feel we also have the right to open carry without restrictions as long as we can legally own a weapon. If there was a need to use it to protect your life when open carrying, I'm not sure how I can make the argument that a class requirement is somehow different for a ccw holder in the same situation. But, at least a slightly firearm safety educated yahoo is better than an ignorant one.

:cheers:

As I understand it, Fla ( as well as AZ ( the enhanced Lic.) ( & perhaps others ) Have various " free alternatives" .:cool:
!ncl. Hunter Ed., Prior Mil. ( if Honorable Discharge ), etc.

Although we in WA have No Training req. :rolleyes: there is a "Grass roots" movement starting to take shape in our area to provide "some form of "training"
1. A couple of the larger "sporting goods" outlets,
a. Offer a free class ( NRA HFS, ) They pay for it & " balance the books" by "sales" of safes etc. The NRA instructors "donate"their time.
b. Offer their facilities for class room space ( Hunter ED.)
2. 2 indoor ranges, that sell guns, offer a free "abbreviated" safety/handling class to "customers"
3. 1 lg. outdoor range in a "fast growing area" 2 years ago got "inventive"
a. All "new" Home owners, get a "certificate" for a free NRA HFS class. ( taught by their "NRA Cadre")
b. " " for "drastically" reduced $$ NRA basic pistol, rifle or shotgunn training.
c. " " free range time" on "public days" for 1 year.
d. The results have been GREAT ( PR etc.) So much so that a couple of other Ranges are "ramping up" to do something sim. ( we ( our training team, is in the presses in training CRSOs for 1 them. Then Instructors) Their goal is 1 year from now is to be "ready"

4. Hunter Ed is req. in WA & is free.

I "humbly" offer the above, in hopes it will give you :think:

Puffer

Secpro
05-06-2010, 02:50 PM
Puffer we're in a different world than you guys.

Puffer
05-06-2010, 03:43 PM
Puffer we're in a different world than you guys.

AYE, you are BRO, but, I be of "the "OLD School" = if you see a situation, that "concerns you", then you either can "ignore it" :hide: or "figure" out a way to assist in solving it.:think:

As an example, the "training" by 1 of the "sporting goods outlets" (FSH) was started by an individual ( who was a NRA FSH Instructor), who's neighbor bought a gun @ the "store" , but then was "afraid" to keep it in her home" He gave her a "brief training" & took her to the outlet to get the "proper" gear. As he was "showing her, a sm. crowd gathered & started asking ??? As he, went leave, the Dept. mgr. asked for info on the NRA FSH classes" That got him :think: why didn't the outlet provide it ??
Being not only an Inst. but a Sales/Merch. professional, He approached the outlet with some "proposals." It took a while, but it WORKED.

One Person can make a difference. :tiphat:

No "preaching intended" but .......???

Puffer