National Firearms Act (NFA) of 1934

[spikes40]

In 1934, The BATF acting on behalf of the US Treasury Dept. passed the NAtional Friearms Act of 1934. This bill put a restriction on civilian owned machine guns and silencers making registraion with the BATF a requirement along with a $200.00 application fee. There was also an amnesty period in 1969 making it legal for troops in the war to bring back and register war trophys that were claimed in battle. This post could go on for many pages but I have provided a link below to the BATF website and their definition of the National Firearms Act.

http://www.atf.gov/pub/fire-explo_pub/nfa.htm

[Chris]

Stickied

[raven_hammer]

Is that a one time 200.00 fee or is it per application for each item?

[Chris]

each item carries its own stamp, there can be more than one per gun, for instance a suppressed SBR would require 2 stamps

[spikes40]

chirs is correct, there can be multiple stamps for a gun but once paid and approved. You are good to go until the gun is sold..once sold..the seller will transfer via form 4 to the buyer and the buyer will pay 200.00 for the transfer application

[raven_hammer]

chirs is correct, there can be multiple stamps for a gun but once paid and approved. You are good to go until the gun is sold..once sold..the seller will transfer via form 4 to the buyer and the buyer will pay 200.00 for the transfer application

Now is that for each stamp again, or just for covering all the stamps

[spikes40]

when tranfering an NFA weapon... (1) $200.00 fee will need to be paid for each stamp attached to the gun

say the gun being sold was a full auto MP5 SD

you would have to pay 200 for the machine gun stamp as well as 200 for the supressor stamp

this would be paid each time the gun transfers

[Satan_3pc]

Doesn't that registration also pretty much give them the right to search the location of the firearm whenever they please? I really want an automatic AR, but that's the main reason I say screw it. I don't want no one coming to my house and I don't even know if I wanna give up my finger prints for a concealed weapons permit. :/

[Chris]

Not to mention the 16,000 dollar price tag...lol

[Satan_3pc]

No way?!?! I didn't know they cost that much. I thought it was just some shit changed out on the lowers. What the hell.

[ss1]

Doesn't that registration also pretty much give them the right to search the location of the firearm whenever they please? I really want an automatic AR, but that's the main reason I say screw it. I don't want no one coming to my house and I don't even know if I wanna give up my finger prints for a concealed weapons permit. :/
It's not the case. The BATFE can not make unannounced searches of your property just because you have a F1 or F4 stamped NFA item. If they want to inspect the weapon(s), they have to make an appointment. If they suspect there are illegal or unregistered NFA items on your premisis, they have to get a warrant like every other agency.

[spikes40]

depending on the type of conversion or factory conversion...full auto ar's ar running 10-20k

As for the search of the location, if you are a class III/SOT dealer, you are subject to an audit but for civilian owneship, you will not have a knock at your door arbitralily. If there ever is a reason fo the atf to check, the will come with a warrent or just simply request you call the office and they will inform you of the reason they want to see the firearm. This can usually be arranged at a law office, or the atf branch office..

Should this occur ( and is highly unlikely uness reasn for)...please contact a lawer i this field as this is not legal advice

[Satan_3pc]

It's not the case. The BATFE can not make unannounced searches of your property just because you have a F1 or F4 stamped NFA item. If they want to inspect the weapon(s), they have to make an appointment. If they suspect there are illegal or unregistered NFA items on your premisis, they have to get a warrant like every other agency.Unless they want to pretend you're a terrorist and search your house without warning. HA!

[ProfessorStoneFace]

wow, the tax was $200 in 1934! that's equivelent to about $3,250 today with inflation!

it really is just different lower parts but only military and LE can get new full auto weapons, for us normal people we would have to buy a pre-ban weapon. there's only so many out there and the people who have them know that so they charge a premium. it's like buying land, they're not making it anymore :)

[ss1]

wow, the tax was $200 in 1934! that's equivelent to about $3,250 today with inflation!

it really is just different lower parts but only military and LE can get new full auto weapons, for us normal people we would have to buy a pre-ban weapon. there's only so many out there and the people who have them know that so they charge a premium. it's like buying land, they're not making it anymore :)
The sad part is that a lot of the people who bought them for "investment" don't want to see any reversal or elimination of the Hughes Amendment of the Firearm Owners Protection Act (FOPA). Just as you cited above, many times, a simple sear or modified components is the only difference between a select fire and a semi auto. I do believe that a select fire AR lower is only $20-40 more than a semi auto for law enforcement and military. The bolt, and fire control group, are about the same price as the semi-auto ones. So logically, any repeal of the Hughes Amendment would instantly vaporize any appreciated value of many pre-ban full auto firearms that are currently manufactured. Collectibles should still retain a good portion of their value. But imagine the price of a RDIAS or a lightning link going to a couple hundred dollars.

[ProfessorStoneFace]

yeah, anyone with a full auto weapon would lose their shirt if they became legal again, maybe the government will bail out that failed investment too :D

it would be cool to have just to have, I can't afford to go full auto on my AR all the time but one mag here and there would be awesome :D

I think they should just make the process to get full auto weapons the same as the other NFA stuff. the restrictions only keep people from legally owning this stuff, no gun laws keep guns out of the hands of criminals.