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Frontline
05-15-2010, 11:53 AM
So, I brought home another wayward Beretta 92 FS, this one is a "Police Special" (PS in a shield on left side of slide), I now have 16 Beretta 92 Variants including my Personal duty weapon, there is no "duplication" all different in some form or other .
Ive have sold Sigs and HK's to get these. Nothing wrong with those guns but I just cant get away from the butter smooth slide action and beautiful trigger reset of the Beretta 92. Most of these I got a smokin deal on, others I paid a little more but it was worth it.
I still have my wheelguns and assorted other handguns, like my Glock 19, I cant get away from that little bitch.
But in the end, Im a Beretta 92 guy.
I saiid I would stop at 15, now Im saying I'll stop at 20. Thats a warning sign, right?
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c202/weaponspc/Reference/Berettas002.jpg?t=1273937803
Secpro
05-15-2010, 12:15 PM
Hey we all have our issues. Thats a very fine collection my friend.
M@D-M@X
05-15-2010, 03:58 PM
Good taste..
Very nice set
Satan_3pc
05-15-2010, 04:31 PM
All hail John McClain!
Damn, I would say you had the problem when you got to two of them. I'm not sure what to classify you at 16 of them. LOL!!
Frontline
05-15-2010, 09:23 PM
Damn, I would say you had the problem when you got to two of them. I'm not sure what to classify you at 16 of them. LOL!!
Dont be a hater, Berettas aint THAT bad !
Frontline
05-15-2010, 09:37 PM
All hail John McClain!
Hey, Im just a guy.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/61/Die_070807105411638_wideweb_300x375.jpg
I see NO problem at all..
Frontline
05-15-2010, 10:25 PM
I see NO problem at all..
Lino is my new purchasing advisor!!!!!!!!!!!
Dont be a hater, Berettas aint THAT bad !
Not hating, I am sure I would do the same if funding was there.
JaxChris
05-16-2010, 05:20 PM
Plus side: only one caliber needed to feed all of those children.
Eventually, I'm going to own one. Nice collection.
anthony20031
05-17-2010, 10:24 AM
Eventually, I'm going to own one. Nice collection.
Same here
Satan_3pc
05-17-2010, 10:44 AM
Yeah. There's a few guns I'd own if I had the money. I gun I don't really need, but want. The Beretta is one of them, along side with a GP100 .357 magnum.
anthony20031
05-17-2010, 10:49 AM
Been going back and forth on my next pistol. Either a 92 or a .22 pistol. One day I lean towards getting the 92, then next a .22 pistol first. Today I am leaning towards the .22 lol
anthony20031
05-17-2010, 05:15 PM
and use it as a boomerang?
Satan_3pc
05-17-2010, 06:01 PM
Been going back and forth on my next pistol. Either a 92 or a .22 pistol. One day I lean towards getting the 92, then next a .22 pistol first. Today I am leaning towards the .22 lol
I'd obviously, get the one you find most practical. You already have a decent 9mm for self defense. The .22 could be a good low cost weekly range gun. Or, IMO, get a sub compact 9mm like an XD, Glock, or M&P. I know from carrying the XDm, carrying a full sized gun gets old.
Frontline
05-17-2010, 07:34 PM
Been going back and forth on my next pistol. Either a 92 or a .22 pistol. One day I lean towards getting the 92, then next a .22 pistol first. Today I am leaning towards the .22 lol
I scored a used Beretta 92 Centurion frame online, built it back up, and installed my Factory Beretta 92/.22 cal conversion kit, hows that? Its in the pic, looks exacly like a regular 92, just an aluminum slide and target sites.
Next to my stamped "Jefferson Parish Sheriffs Office (JPSO LA.)" Beretta 92, its one of my favorites. My daughter enjoys shooting it too.
Just another option.
Just get a Taurus :bolt:
Everyone needs a throw down.
Everyone needs a throw down.
yeah, I got one but unfortunately, I bought it thru a now defunct FFL. We all need to do a "Taurus swap" to "wash" things up a bit. lol
:blastem:
Everyone needs a throw down.
Secpro
05-18-2010, 01:15 PM
Everyone needs a throw down.
Hey he's Cuban and in Miami.....That's probably why he bought that Taurus as a throw away gun.
my first gun purchase..
It was my second as I couldn't afford the Beretta 92F at the time. I was such a dumbass at the time. At least my first purchase (Colt Commander LW) is not only a keeper, but probably the one I'll take to the grave.
Secpro
05-18-2010, 02:24 PM
My first purchase was my Rock River AR, and that baby will be sticking with me forever..
Satan_3pc
05-18-2010, 03:25 PM
Just shot my Rock River last week. I do like it, although I think I'd rather have a spike's tactical at this point. According the Jax, some of the Rock River parts aren't fully compatible with all the other ARs. That's no good in the zombie apocalypse! How will I find beaten up ARs to repair my gun with like in Fallout 3?!?!?
According the Jax, some of the Rock River parts aren't fully compatible with all the other ARs. That's no good in the zombie apocalypse!.......
If you mean the commercial buffer tube and stock, then it includes a lot more makers than RRA. They also use their 2 stage trigger, which isn't USGI compliant, but if you can replace it with an entire USGI TG if you needed to. I've actually got their TG as an upgrade in 3 of my AR's. They use a modified BC, but most makers do as well and any AR bolt will work in them as long as headspacing is acceptable. Otherwise, their uppers and lowers are very good and compatible with all AR-15 parts.
JaxChris
05-18-2010, 04:37 PM
Again, the only issue I have with Rock River is their use of commercial spec tubes (limited choice of buttstocks), 223 Wylde chambers (still prefer a true 5.56 NATO chamber), and their notched hammers which don't work with all the different calibers or conversions (i.e no good for 5.7 or 22LR uppers/conversions).
A full mil-spec weapon has 100% parts compatibility and toughness standards with government issued AR's (M4, M4A1, M16A2, M16A4). My preferred order of companies is as follows:
1 - Spike's Tactical
2 - Bravo Company
3 - Daniel Defense
4 - Lewis Machine
5 - Knight's Armament
Oddly enough, that is also the order of least expensive to most expensive. They are all equal in parts quality and compatibility. In fact, damn near most of their parts all come from the same contractor that builds parts for FN's government issue weapons (AO Precision in Daytona, FL). It's because of AO Precision that if Florida passes a firearm freedom act you will see an immediate availability of AR rifles with Made In Florida stamped on them and all core components will be made right here (even Cold Hammer Forged Barrels).
Gotcha. I've always encouraged people to go with milspec over the commercial tubes, but honestly, if you are going for a scavenger hunt in the streets to bag some parts, odds are a lot of it will be commercial stuff too.
My list doesn't include spikes, even though I own two AR's built on their lower. During the craze, I thought he was selling DPMS LPK's so my assumption was that was what he was using in his lowers. I'd place LMT first, KA, then BC for value. Since Colt has now gone to standard sized pins, they are back on my top 5 list at either 4 or 5. I do like Noveske and Larue as well but they are more specialty.
ETA: My only non 5.56 caliber AR is my 9mm which required the use of a bobbed USGI hammer. Easy mod with a dremmel or you can ramp the bolt and use most hammers.
Frontline
05-18-2010, 05:49 PM
my first gun purchase..
My first handgun was a Taurus PT92, an Old 1st gen PT92 series, blued. When I found and bought a used Beretta 92 (about 1992) I said , "Hey its almost the same as my Taurus!" But it was better. I soon realized the crappy trigger, plastic rear sight and flimsy grip panels of the Taurus were not on the Beretta, the Beretta was of better quality. I sold the taurus and have been collecting and trading Berettas ever since. I'll say this about Taurus, they have GREATLY improved their production quality since my Taurus PT92. If I wasnt so biased toward Berettas, Id likely own a Taurus PT series or two. But Im too far gone.
I do like the Millenium series (PT111, 24/7) by Taurus, the only drawback I have on those is the long trigger reset (DAO), but again, Im used to Beretta, BUT I do like the Millenium series.
anthony20031
05-18-2010, 05:52 PM
Hey Jax RRA does offer a true 5.56 NATO chamber as I have one. I know they also offer the .223 and the wylde.
http://rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=259
anthony20031
05-18-2010, 05:55 PM
Jax actually this is a better page to see. They have both the 5.56 NATO chamber as well as the Wylde Chamber
http://rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=387
I believe they did a typo though saying that it is .223 NATO lol. As you see in the previous page it specifically states it is 5.56 NATO
Frontline
05-18-2010, 05:57 PM
Jax Chris said ........"Oddly enough, that is also the order of least expensive to most expensive. They are all equal in parts quality and compatibility. In fact, damn near most of their parts all come from the same contractor that builds parts for FN's government issue weapons (AO Precision in Daytona, FL). It's because of AO Precision that if Florida passes a firearm freedom act you will see an immediate availability of AR rifles with Made In Florida stamped on them and all core components will be made right here (even Cold Hammer Forged Barrels)."
PLEASE BABY JESUS, WITH YOUR CHERUB-LIKE KINDNESS, SMILE ON US AND MAKE THIS HAPPEN!!!!!
Satan_3pc
05-18-2010, 11:08 PM
Hey Jax RRA does offer a true 5.56 NATO chamber as I have one. I know they also offer the .223 and the wylde.
http://rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=259
That's what I have. Praise the lord halleluyah or w/e.
anthony20031
05-19-2010, 07:26 PM
I scored a used Beretta 92 Centurion frame online, built it back up, and installed my Factory Beretta 92/.22 cal conversion kit, hows that? Its in the pic, looks exacly like a regular 92, just an aluminum slide and target sites.
Next to my stamped "Jefferson Parish Sheriffs Office (JPSO LA.)" Beretta 92, its one of my favorites. My daughter enjoys shooting it too.
Just another option.
Alright....now the more and more I think about I may go that route seeing I want to get a Beretta. Didn't originally want a dual purpose as as I said I like guns that serve one purpose but I think you may have convinced me. Think about it for the next few days lol
anthony20031
05-19-2010, 07:46 PM
Just found a website that sells the Ciener kit for $199. I think I may be sold!
anthony20031
05-19-2010, 08:21 PM
Frontline I figure I'll ask you this question, I know I have asked others on here, but seeing your love for Beretta it would be nice to get your opinion. How would you compare the 92 with the 90Two and even the Px4? The 90Two just seems like some small changes like the adjustable grips etc. Px4 is obviously a different animal. I am pretty set on getting the 92 but have considered the 90Two
Just saw some used Berettas on sale with three mags and supposedly in excellent condition for $398
Frontline
05-20-2010, 07:27 PM
Frontline I figure I'll ask you this question, I know I have asked others on here, but seeing your love for Beretta it would be nice to get your opinion. How would you compare the 92 with the 90Two and even the Px4? The 90Two just seems like some small changes like the adjustable grips etc. Px4 is obviously a different animal. I am pretty set on getting the 92 but have considered the 90Two
Just saw some used Berettas on sale with three mags and supposedly in excellent condition for $398
398 is not a bad deal at all on trde in Beretta with three mags.
The PX4 is basically a cougar with a polymer frame and more styling. Im not a fan of the cougar/PX4 rotating barrel breech locking mechanism, theres nothing wrong with it as far as the way it works, cuz it works, its just a complicated system that I dont want as a field weapon, thats why the cougar never really took off in LE circles. Its a pain in the ass to dissassemble, especially in the field when you are pressed for time or have a stoppage. My opinion, and I am a Beretta Armorer.
The 90two is basically a 92 FS. Operationally its the same. BUT you get the fine italian stylings of Guigiaro in the aluminum frame, with two diffrent grips and a light rail. the guide rod/spring assbly is "captive" like a glock, while also having recoil buffer. Yes, I would own one, but I keep buying the classics because there are soooo many available for sale. I'll have a 90two sooner or later though.
good luck on your quest!
The PX4 is basically a cougar with a polymer frame and more styling. Im not a fan of the cougar/PX4 rotating barrel breech locking mechanism, theres nothing wrong with it as far as the way it works, cuz it works, its just a complicated system that I dont want as a field weapon, thats why the cougar never really took off in LE circles. Its a pain in the ass to dissassemble, especially in the field when you are pressed for time or have a stoppage.......
Sorry, I hate to nit pick, but while the 92 is one of the easiest guns on the planet to field strip, the PX-4 is really not complicated at all. It breaks down similar to a Glock but even easier without having to release pressure on the slide with just pressing down on the two tabs on both sides of the slide. Pull the slide forward and what you basically have is a recoil spring//rod assembly intserted into the locking block and then set onto the slide and barrel. If you break down the parts of the delayed breechlock, the PX-4 actually has one less part than the 92 if you count the locking block plunger and pin in a 92 as individual parts compared to the extra part for the captured guide rod for the PX-4. Assembly and disassembly is IMHO almost on par between the two. If you study the system, it does require precise fitting from the factory, however it is simplistic in design. The trigger/lockwork on the PX-4 is a testiment that Beretta did not want to reinvent the wheel and borrowed as much of the design from the 92 as possible. Personally, I'd call the PX-4 as a cousin to the Cougar and nothing more since it shares a unique breechlock.
Satan_3pc
05-21-2010, 10:37 PM
Yeah, I thought the PX4 was a piece of shit. I played with one a bit my friend owned and it felt like shit.
Frontline
05-22-2010, 11:19 AM
Give BOTH to a soldier in the suck, I'll wager the PX4 gets thrown out the window of the hummer first.
Both will hit the ground with a terrific thud if you sneak a classic 1911 .45 into the troops ruck, but thats not what we're talking about, is it?
Out of the box I hated the PX-4 .40 S&W I have. I got rid of the CX-4 and tried to trade the PX-4 away twice unsucessfully. After I remedied the sight picture issue with aftermarket Trijicons, I was impressed with the accuracy of the gun and began to really apprciate it. You are right, it probably will never be as good as a 92 but I think a lot of negativity of this gun and why it has not been a marketing coup for Beretta was because of the "cougar" rebadged connotation and that it wasn't better than a 92. Look at Colt and the 1911. Any attempt they made to intoduce a new .45 platform met with dismal failure. A of it has to do with the former management's ineptitude, but also the unwillingness of the public to have Colt mess with history and perfection.
Satan_3pc
05-22-2010, 10:25 PM
Give BOTH to a soldier in the suck, I'll wager the PX4 gets thrown out the window of the hummer first.
Both will hit the ground with a terrific thud if you sneak a classic 1911 .45 into the troops ruck, but thats not what we're talking about, is it?
I suppose that depends on if the individual is a fire power, or stopping power guy.