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Secpro
06-28-2010, 12:02 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/28/AR2010062802134_pf.html

Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

By MARK SHERMAN
The Associated Press
Monday, June 28, 2010; 11:54 AM



WASHINGTON -- The Supreme Court held Monday that Americans have the right to own a gun for self-defense anywhere they live, advancing a recent trend by the John Roberts-led bench to embrace gun rights.

By a 5-4 vote, the justices cast doubt on handgun bans in the Chicago area, but signaled that some limitations on the Constitution's "right to keep and bear arms" could survive legal challenges.

Justice Samuel Alito, writing for the court, said that the Second Amendment right "applies equally to the federal government and the states."

The court was split along familiar ideological lines, with five conservative-moderate justices in favor of gun rights and four liberals opposed. Chief Justice Roberts voted with the majority.

Two years ago, the court declared that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to possess guns, at least for purposes of self-defense in the home.

That ruling applied only to federal laws. It struck down a ban on handguns and a trigger lock requirement for other guns in the District of Columbia, a federal city with unique legal standing. At the same time, the court was careful not to cast doubt on other regulations of firearms here.

Gun rights proponents almost immediately filed a federal lawsuit challenging gun control laws in Chicago and its suburb of Oak Park, Ill, where handguns have been banned for nearly 30 years. The Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence says those laws appear to be the last two remaining outright bans.

Lower federal courts upheld the two laws, noting that judges on those benches were bound by Supreme Court precedent and that it would be up to the high court justices to ultimately rule on the true reach of the Second Amendment.

The Supreme Court already has said that most of the guarantees in the Bill of Rights serve as a check on state and local, as well as federal, laws.

Monday's decision did not explicitly strike down the Chicago area laws. Instead, it ordered a federal appeals court to reconsider its ruling. But it left little doubt that the statutes eventually would fall.

Still, Alito noted that the declaration that the Second Amendment is fully binding on states and cities "limits (but by no means eliminates) their ability to devise solutions to social problems that suit local needs and values."

Justices John Paul Stevens and Stephen Breyer, joined by Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Sonia Sotomayor, each wrote a dissent. Stevens, in his final day on the bench after more than 34 years, said that unlike the Washington case, Monday's decision "could prove far more destructive - quite literally - to our nation's communities and to our constitutional structure."

The ruling seemed unlikely to resolve questions and ongoing legal challenges about precisely what sort of gun control laws are permissible.

The response of the District to the court's ruling in 2008 is illustrative of the uncertainty.

Local lawmakers in Washington, D.C. imposed a series of regulations on handgun ownership, including requirements to register weapons and to submit to a multiple-choice test, fingerprinting and a ballistics test. Owners must also show they have gotten classroom instruction on handling a gun and have spent at least an hour on the firing range. Some 800 people have now registered handguns in the city.

Anticipating a similar result in their case, Chicago lawmakers are looking at even more stringent regulations.

But the new regulations themselves are likely to themselves be the subject of lawsuits, a fact noted by the dissenting justices Monday. Already in Washington, Dick Heller, the plaintiff in the original case before the Supreme Court, has sued the city over its new laws.

Heller argues that the stringent restrictions violate the intent of the high court's decision. So far a federal judge has upheld the limitations, but the case has been appealed.

Wayne LaPierre, executive vice president of the National Rifle Association, said his politically powerful group "will continue to work at every level to insure that defiant city councils and cynical politicians do not transform this constitutional victory into a practical defeat through Byzantine regulations and restrictions."

New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, an ardent proponent of gun control, said the ruling allows cities "to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and terrorists while at the same time respecting the constitutional rights of law-abiding citizens."

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Associated Press reporter Jessica Gresko contributed to this report.

ss1
06-28-2010, 01:14 PM
Thanks Mus, I was going to post something about this.

anthony20031
06-28-2010, 02:08 PM
I would like to see the dissent arguments becuase I don't understand how you can argue against it. Also amazing that Sotomayer ruled against it. That was on of the points that was brought up when she was nominated (gun control and gun rights). I believe at one point she said she supported the 2nd amendment...apparently not

Secpro
06-28-2010, 02:38 PM
Ask and ye shal receive.......


http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/09pdf/08-1521.pdf

anthony20031
06-28-2010, 04:22 PM
gracias

JaxChris
06-28-2010, 05:02 PM
Liberal judges are just like all other politicians... lie and cheat to get their appointment to distract from the fact they are grossly under-qualified for the position. Once they are in, they don't give a shit.

Satan_3pc
06-28-2010, 10:42 PM
IMO it's not even the fact that they are under qualified. I think that all politicians just don't give a damn about the people and they are more greedy than they are concerned, so that's why we hate them all.

nuff said

JaxChris
06-29-2010, 12:59 AM
If you want politicians that are of respectable character, then I'd do it like this:

Pay them 35,000$/year and allow them a residence (like a governors estate, but far more modest) with food allowances. Cover their utilities, security, and have them pay into their own social security or retirement funds. Do not allow them to take any donations to "foundations" from lobbyists or any freebies from any company or individual (besides maybe a single meal at a restaurant that is under 20$). Make their lives public record and monitor their financial transactions. And require successful management history be proven.

Anyone that is truly looking to only do what is best for this country and run it as a successful business that is fair to all citizens should meet these requirements and have no problem making due on only 35k since their basic needs would already be covered. They would live a life close to that of a 50k/year middle class person which might give them some perspective on the people that they represent.

Judges should live in the Playboy Mansion with Heff and not have a care in the world so they can rule on cases fairly, without any preconceived notions.

Satan_3pc
06-29-2010, 09:31 AM
Good idea.

Jax for president!

anthony20031
06-29-2010, 10:55 AM
LOL sounds good to me. Only problem I see with it is I think the pay is a little too low. Problem being that the smarter poeple will choose to go to the private sector becuase they can earn more money. End result is that you won't have the smartest people in positions of power. I would prefer to offer them a little more money say like $50 or $60k, but I agree with everything else like making them make their lives completely private. I think things such as their income, taxes should all be published on one site and made readily available and viewable by the whole population. Think of all the idiots that Obama nominated for positions that cheated their taxes and owned a ton of money to the IRS. By publishing all public servants info on the web like that in one place and making it readily available to all citizens I think is the best method.

JaxChris
06-29-2010, 02:37 PM
Well the reason for the income level I selected is because anyone who meets the successful management criteria will already have a few things paid for in life and if they are really just wanted to help this country be the best it can be, then they shouldn't be doing it for a bigger guaranteed paycheck.

When you factor in free housing, servants, meals, utilities, etc that would be gratis on top of the 35k/year I don't think anyone could really bitch at that. Most states would put their reps in decent neighborhoods next to big money families and provide nice things so their reps wouldn't be left wanting. The definition of nice and decent is subjective to the individual states and their state budgets. So a Florida senator would probably have a house that costs 3000/month, 1000/month in food and utilities, plus vehicles and perks that probably add another 2000/month in spiffs. That would make the equivalent pay about over 100,000$/year when you add the 35k in cash.

If there is anyone that can't "live within those means" then they shouldn't be in office because they are completely detached from their electorate.

Satan_3pc
06-29-2010, 03:11 PM
LOL sounds good to me. Only problem I see with it is I think the pay is a little too low. Problem being that the smarter poeple will choose to go to the private sector becuase they can earn more money. End result is that you won't have the smartest people in positions of power. I would prefer to offer them a little more money say like $50 or $60k, but I agree with everything else like making them make their lives completely private. I think things such as their income, taxes should all be published on one site and made readily available and viewable by the whole population. Think of all the idiots that Obama nominated for positions that cheated their taxes and owned a ton of money to the IRS. By publishing all public servants info on the web like that in one place and making it readily available to all citizens I think is the best method.I'm sorry, but George Bush was a dumb mother fucker. There's been some pretty dumb politicians. They are not all smart. We could put people like Jax in office with his plan and he'd probably do a hell of a lot better job than them. Hell we all agree with his firearm philosophies already!

anthony20031
06-29-2010, 06:13 PM
I'm sorry, but George Bush was a dumb mother fucker. There's been some pretty dumb politicians. They are not all smart. We could put people like Jax in office with his plan and he'd probably do a hell of a lot better job than them. Hell we all agree with his firearm philosophies already!

Ummm Satan that was my point that not the smartest people run for office becuase if they were so smart they would be in the private sector making more money. Remember also Bush's money in the private sector didn't necessarily come from him directly but more family oil wealth etc. I would almost exclude Presidents from this argument because most have built up some wealth or it would actually be kinda hard to run due to the costs.

Satan_3pc
06-29-2010, 10:44 PM
Well offering more money might draw back the greedy ones, and they aren't always smart. Usually they're just smart enough, and more then ruthless enough to step on who they have to to get their paycheck.

But now we're getting into pure speculation. \



Jax for president! Sign my tits.