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Satan_3pc
10-03-2008, 07:01 PM
Here's all I have to say about politics and to who gets elected president... Either way it doesn't matter, there's much bigger problems at hand.
Zeitgeist, The Movie - Remastered / Final Edition (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-594683847743189197&ei=wKPmSKGCDaP0qAL46JXgDA&q=zeitgeist&hl=en)
and
David Icke - Big Brother, the Big Picture (July 6th 2008) (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4799447112501062338&ei=46PmSJSTFZKYrQLU4pmhCw&q=David+Icke+Big+Brother&hl=en)
Now I know nobody is going to watch either of these all the way through because they have better things to do... like aid to the problems these videos are describing, but if anyone feels like opening their minds, here you go!
Satan_3pc
10-03-2008, 07:07 PM
I will say, the first one has an awesome beginning. It starts with a guy talking and you think there's no video. Then, BAM BAM BAM it shows all this war to heavy drums and then goes soft and shows the evolution of the planet right up to the signing of the constitution and the creation of America. Then BAM BAM BAM!
Seen Zeitgeist all the way through. It's interesting, but you don't know if it's fact. Some guy in his basement made a conspiracy theory movie. I know better than to believe everything I see on the internet.
Satan_3pc
10-03-2008, 08:40 PM
I know not to believe anything I hear as well, but there's just things in the video you can't deny, and things that you can actually look up yourself. The religion part you can actually research all of that probably just using wikipedia, and most of it, if you put 2 and 2 together, it's like HOLY SHIT! Why didn't we see that before? We already know the banking systems are to blame for a lot of this worlds problems, and we also know that the 9/11 stuff was fishy to say the least.
David Icke is another guy that has a lot of interesting theories. In his earlier days he got into some wacky stuff about reptilian shape shifter that I laugh at, but a lot of the other stuff he says is hard not to believe.
Satan_3pc
10-03-2008, 08:45 PM
Also I'd just like to add that it's better to believe the facts they state in this video, for example, the temperature steel melts at, and how the buildings fell, and minor details like that that you can not debate... then believing that a friggin passport was found at the world trade center after the plane blew up, the buildings fell, and steel was supposedly melting!!!
lol, I can only laugh
If you really want to know who was behind 9/11, watch this...this is the TRUTH!
9/11 Truth Video (http://www.southparkzone.com/episode.php?vid=1009)
Satan_3pc
10-04-2008, 09:54 AM
Seen it. It was funny, but are you suggesting that the official story was 100% truthful? If that's the case you're hopeless lol.
I'm suggesting that the magic bullet is what ultimately took down both towers. :D
Chris
10-04-2008, 10:34 AM
just to stir the pot,
steel melting isnt always the reason for a collapse,
force coupled with heat stress even at a point well below malleabilty and ductility temps. can cause severe structural issues in a large load bearing entity,
multiply that by more than one signifacant force trauma to a structure and even a conservative estimate of say 800 degrees would yield a significant reduction in the strength of steel on both compactive and tensile sides.
Another suspect point would be rivited joints, due to the size of differing parts and non-uniform metallurgy a weak point could be signifacantly affected by relatively minor heat fluctuation and changing stress load.
But hey I wouldnt know anything about that stuff anyway:D
I think there were terrorists on the grassy knoll with detonators. :D
Satan_3pc
10-04-2008, 02:37 PM
just to stir the pot,
steel melting isnt always the reason for a collapse,
force coupled with heat stress even at a point well below malleabilty and ductility temps. can cause severe structural issues in a large load bearing entity,
multiply that by more than one signifacant force trauma to a structure and even a conservative estimate of say 800 degrees would yield a significant reduction in the strength of steel on both compactive and tensile sides.
Another suspect point would be rivited joints, due to the size of differing parts and non-uniform metallurgy a weak point could be signifacantly affected by relatively minor heat fluctuation and changing stress load.
But hey I wouldnt know anything about that stuff anyway:DYes, and they both fell exactly the same way... including building 7 which was never officially explained why it fell, and caved in from the middle.
I think it was Colonel Mustard, it the Conservatory, with the Candle Stick. :D
Chris
10-04-2008, 05:16 PM
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p225/chrisbean109/tinfoil.jpg
:D
spikes40
10-04-2008, 05:22 PM
Loose Change
Loose Change 2nd Edition Recut (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7866929448192753501)
was the best 9/11 video I have seen yet as well as all of the pieces fit!
Satan_3pc
10-04-2008, 07:44 PM
You guys are just aiding to the bullshit. Do you really believe our government is perfect?
Do your research before you criticize. Most of the stuff in these videos can be found in pieces right there on wikipedia.
For example, in the video they talk about how American banks were helping fund the Nazi's in WW II to make profits from both sides, and that George W. Bush's grandfather was one of the lead directors of one of the banks that got charged for it after the war.
Do a little search about Prescott Bush and see what you find.
Chris
10-04-2008, 08:34 PM
well let me explain something to you,
you are not the first person to see these movies so you are not the bringer of enlightenment here,
I have seen all these movies a LOOOOOONNNNNGGGGG time before you probably even knew they existed.
Also before you call people out on not doing research, research who you are talking about, I personally have a degree on my wall that says I know quite a bit about politics.
Lastly, I dont remember seeing anywhere that anyone mentioned the government is perfect. and just to comment on the aiding to the bullshit remark.
What have you done as of late to aid in the betterment of our country.
With the exception of helping us less fortunate lemmings see the light of B- movie documentaries.
There are also some intriuging documentaries and many other films relating to conspiracy that explain how rhetoric is manipulated ,any Micheal Moorer film as an expample. Just because the smart sounding voice commentating says its true and you can find coincidental evidance that somewhat supports a theory doesnt make it a fact. Any evidence can be spun to make a point for either side. Thats a first year political science point of fact.
Sorry for the bitterness of this post but I take offense to being called either stupid or a sheep.
Unfortunately your calling people out that have more than likely very similiar views as you and its obvious you dont know how well read we are in these types of issues.
The first sign of someone who isnt confident in their views is when they resort to childish tactics to prove their point which in my opinion is what you just did with your last post.
So with this said, no hard feelings.
The first sign of someone who isnt confident in their views is when they resort to childish tactics to prove their point which in my opinion is what you just did with your last post.
I wouldn't go that far. I mean, It could have just as easily been Professor Plum in the Library with the Lead Pipe.:D
On a more serious note, for the two movies that you're claiming are the truth, there are dozens of websites, and videos out there claiming the exact opposite.
Here's a few for Zeitgeist, but being a sheep that believes everything they see on the internet, I don't expect you to go through all of them. (just playin' :D)
http://www.zeitgeistexposed.com/
http://zeitgeistchallenge.com
http://zeitgeistmovieisfake.com
Satan_3pc
10-04-2008, 09:24 PM
The first sign of someone who isnt confident in their views is when they resort to childish tactics to prove their point which in my opinion is what you just did with your last post. Oh yes, kind of like your hilarious little picture up there and the Clue comments attempting to discredit an alternative view on a system that OBVIOUSLY isn't working.
I am simply posting stuff around the web I believe has relevance to anyone that enjoys their freedoms, but I can't do it with out some typical smart ass coming in and blowing off the hippie dippie conspiracy loony crap.
It's not like I just found some videos and said OMG NO WAI?!!?! I have seen this stuff happening myself and I found them upon researching things that didn't sit well with me.
Here's a little article I just read on the Drudge report. If you scroll down and read the bit about the IRS you'll find yourself another fine example of them creating a problem, getting a reaction from us, and creating a so called solution, all while shuffling in a few catches that just so happen to take away from more of our privacy, and freedom.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10057618-38.html?tag=nl.e433
Hmm, it's kind of like 9/11 and then that Homeland Security Department with their authority to search your home without warrant, as long as they can think of a reason to call you a terrorist.
I am just angered because I see whats wrong with this world, and I see that nobody is ever going to wake up and realize why we're so out of touch with the species we were before all this material fake crap called society was made.
YouTube - Loose Change WTC 1 and 2 Demolition Theory debunked (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLMvU4LwCp4&NR=1)
YouTube - Proof of NO Controlled Demolitions - South Tower 9/11 RARE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBYnUyx4kw8&feature=related)
David Icke is a joke. Did you know that reptilian humanoids control the world! Come on dude! It's ridiculous to believe what this guy is preaching!!!! You might as well go join the church of scientology if this is what you believe.
According to writer David Icke, reptilian humanoids are the force behind a worldwide conspiracy directed at manipulation and control of humanity. He contends that most of the world's leaders are in fact related to 7-foot (2.1 m) tall, blood-drinking, reptilians from the star system Alpha Draconis, in the constellation Draco.
According to an interview with David Icke, Christine Fitzgerald claims that she was a confidante of Diana, Princess of Wales, and that Diana told her that the British Royal Family were reptilian aliens, and that they could shapeshift.[6] Icke also claims that many presidents of the United States have been and are reptilian humanoids. In his view, United States foreign policy after September 11 is the product of a reptilian conspiracy to enslave humanity, with George W. Bush as a servant of the reptilians.
Icke draws connections between the reptilian aliens in his theories and the Annunaki depicted in Zecharia Sitchin's 12th Planet,[7] which has led to other conspiracy theorists referring to reptilian humanoids as the "Annunaki";[8] however, Sitchin himself has always described his Annunaki as purely humanoid.
Satan_3pc
10-04-2008, 09:50 PM
Well, you're the ones that claimed I believed everything I saw. So that's on you. Quote me where I said I agree with that theory, and then quote him in the video of him I linked to you.
If I believed a giant Iguana was ruling the world I'd have found one of his videos where he talks about that. I linked you guys to one where he says some interesting stuff that is worth looking in to.
I think we can all agree that those parts of David Icke's theories are about as ridiculous as Scientology.
Chris
10-04-2008, 09:54 PM
Well, obviously I misjudged your ability to take a joke. If the post with the tin foil hurt your feelings I apologize for my error in judgement.
My original retort to the steel issues were my opinions as a person with signifacant knowledge in that area by trade and education.
If your views of the world cause you anger maybe your time would be better spent organizing a grass roots lobbying organization to help change the misdeeds that you have noticed.
I personally think arguing over this is at best childish so I think we can all agree that there are some compelling issues but not necessarily proven as fact.
Well, you're the ones that claimed I believed everything I saw. So that's on you. Quote me where I said I agree with that theory, and then quote him in the video of him I linked to you.
If I believed a giant Iguana was ruling the world I'd have found one of his videos where he talks about that. I linked you guys to one where he says some interesting stuff that is worth looking in to.
I think we can all agree that those parts of David Icke's theories are about as ridiculous as Scientology.
But that's my point exactly. I wouldn't believe a thing a guy that thinks reptiles are running the world says.
Satan_3pc
10-04-2008, 10:07 PM
Agreed,
I'm not trying to tell anyone to believe this stuff. It's just a good way to put more onto the table so people will think for themselves. I'm not saying you can't think for yourself. I'm just saying a lot of people don't. They just believe what is on TV and in the news, and we know that that's not true or biased half of the time. In reality we can't really prove anything from either side most of the time.
My point is simply this... Was this country not meant to be we the people? Was it not meant to be a society based off of majority?(which is completely fair in my opinion) Instead it's become some old greedy guys voting on topics behind closed doors with out us having a say. I just think more people should speak up. That's all.
Satan_3pc
10-04-2008, 10:10 PM
But that's my point exactly. I wouldn't believe a thing a guy that thinks reptiles are running the world says.It's not what he's saying that matters. It's what things he opens us up to to figure out for ourselves. Most people wouldn't even have a thought cross their mind about the stuff he's saying, because if he is right, it's exactly what the supposed "rulers" would want. No? So I just think it's worth it to look into to some stuff to see if maybe things aren't always quite what they seem.
Agreed,
I'm not trying to tell anyone to believe this stuff. It's just a good way to put more onto the table so people will think for themselves. I'm not saying you can't think for yourself. I'm just saying a lot of people don't. They just believe what is on TV and in the news, and we know that that's not true or biased half of the time. In reality we can't really prove anything from either side most of the time.
My point is simply this... Was this country not meant to be we the people? Was it not meant to be a society based off of majority?(which is completely fair in my opinion) Instead it's become some old greedy guys voting on topics behind closed doors with out us having a say. I just think more people should speak up. That's all.
No doubt that these videos make people question the truth. That's what conspiracy theories do. We weren't arguing that. We were arguing that you can across as if these videos were the truth. I disagree with you though. These theories can definitely be proven.
Now we're getting into a whole different debate. I can tell you flat out that you're wrong, as so many others are. See the main issue is that everyone is under the impression that the United States is a democracy, when in fact it's a republic...a constitutional republic to be exact, in which the people elect the people to govern the country. It didn't become some old greedy guys voting behind closed doors, it's been that way all along.
It's not what he's saying that matters. It's what things he opens us up to to figure out for ourselves. Most people wouldn't even have a thought cross their mind about the stuff he's saying, because if he is right, it's exactly what the supposed "rulers" would want. No? So I just think it's worth it to look into to some stuff to see if maybe things aren't always quite what they seem.
Again, I'm not arguing that. Knowledge is power. Learn all you can.
Satan_3pc
10-04-2008, 10:30 PM
Well then they need to stop saying we're a democracy. It's like George Carlin said... The only difference between how the world is now and how it was back in the day is, now they're just up front saying, "Hey, I'm going to F*** you in the ass, ok?"
Well then they need to stop saying we're a democracy. It's like George Carlin said... The only difference between how the world is now and how it was back in the day is, now they're just up front saying, "Hey, I'm going to F*** you in the ass, ok?"
Good luck with that. The illusion of our "democracy" is too powerful to change. The truth is that the people's voice doesn't really matter at all because they are not in charge of the election process. Do you know if your vote is actually being counted?
Satan_3pc
10-04-2008, 10:50 PM
Which is my point exactly. It's funny how similar everyone is once you get past the illusion of difference.
Yeah, but it's like we just went around in a big circle. Go read my first response. ;)