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Chris
10-28-2008, 09:31 PM
I love love love this gun,
currently in the market for one and have let a few fall between my fingers in the last few years.
For those who are unfamiliar this is the arguably the best revolver ever made. I personally am in that camp. You have to feel one to understand.
The is NO better trigger in a revolver.


The .357 Magnum is the oldest handgun "magnum" cartridge. Smith & Wesson played a major part in the development and success of the cartridge and revolver that went with it. Firearms writer and experimenter Philip Sharpe is credited for its development during the 1930s when police agencies were asking for a more powerful round. S&W's Major D.B. Wesson agreed to produce a new revolver that would handle "high-intensity" .38 Special loads, but only if Winchester would develop a new cartridge. Winchester introduced the .357 Magnum, which was dimensionally identical to the .38 Special except for a .125 inch longer case, and the first revolvers (referred to as ".357 Magnum Models") were completed by S&W on April 8, 1935.

The classic Model 19 is one of the original S&W .357s, and a favorite of many experienced professionals like Border Patrolman and noted writer Bill Jordan.

Jordan's idea for a "peace officer's dream" sidearm was a heavy-barreled four-inch K-Frame .357 Magnum with a shrouded barrel like the big N-frame .357 and adjustable sights. After a year of experimentation with improved-strength steels and special heat-treat processes, the result was the .357 Combat Magnum (later designated Model 19), with the first serial-number gun (K260,000) presented to Jordan on November 15, 1955.

The Model 19 was produced in blued carbon steel or nickel-plated steel with wood or rubber combat grips, an adjustable rear sight, semi-target hammer, serrated combat-type trigger, and was available in 2.5" (3": Model 66—rare), 4", or 6-inch barrel lengths. The weights are 30.5 ounces, 36 ounces, and 39 ounces, respectively. The 2.5- and 3-inch barrel versions had a round butts, while the others had square butts. When Smith and Wesson ceased production of the Model 19, it was replaced by the Model 66.

The Model 19 was produced from 1957 (first model number stampings) to November 1999. The Model 66 was produced from 1970 until 2005. The Model 66 differed by its use of stainless steel and its smooth target-type trigger. The Model 19 and the Model 66 had the same trigger options.

Engineering changes were designated with a "dash-" number after the model number. The engineering changes are as follows:

19 (1957): Stamping of model number.
19-1 (1959): Change extractor rod, right to left-hand thread.
19-2 (1961): Cylinder stop changed, delete triggerguard screw.
(1963): Introduce 6" barrel.
(1963): 50 manufactured with 2.5" barrel, serial range K544672–K544721.
(1966): Introduce 2.5" barrel as standard.
19-3 (1967): Relocation of rear sight leaf screw.
(1968): Delete diamond-insert grip.
19-4 (1977): Change gas ring from yoke to cylinder. (Not really an "improvement". It did make it slightly easier to clean if there was heavy leading, but basically was a cost-cutting measure.)
19-5 (1982): Eliminate cylinder counterbore.

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Chris
10-28-2008, 09:32 PM
I personally would like a 19-2 from early 63 with a 6 inch barrel.
Ohhh please Santa bring me a S&W for Christmas.....lol

Cris
10-29-2008, 08:24 AM
I have been looking into revolvers lately. I am still stuck on the model 29 though.

chrismia
10-29-2008, 09:58 AM
i know you aren't taurus fans here, but i like my revolver and no issues.

Cris
10-29-2008, 10:06 AM
There is no issues with the Taurus revolvers. It's the semi-automatics that I have a problem with.

chrismia
10-29-2008, 10:10 AM
There is no issues with the Taurus revolvers. It's the semi-automatics that I have a problem with.

exactly why i didn't say my next purchase will be the 24/7 9mm...i didn't want to get bashed :D

Cris
10-29-2008, 10:39 AM
Please don't buy one of their semi-automatics. We pick on Slowbra all the time for his. Do yourself a favor and at least buy a glock.

chrismia
10-29-2008, 10:54 AM
Please don't buy one of their semi-automatics. We pick on Slowbra all the time for his. Do yourself a favor and at least buy a glock.

i thought glocks are for gangsters? :p

price is a factor for me, so if you have any good deals...let me know! :D

lino
10-29-2008, 11:44 AM
There is no issues with the Taurus revolvers. It's the semi-automatics that I have a problem with.

hater...
first gun I ever bought.. never had a single prob with it..

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/pichichi13/TAURUSPT-99.jpg

Chris
10-29-2008, 02:33 PM
its the 8 million other owners that had problems with theirs that I worry about

lino
10-29-2008, 02:44 PM
its the 8 million other owners that had problems with theirs that I worry about


what kind of probs did they have?

Chris
10-29-2008, 03:10 PM
failure to fires,
catastrophic frame failures
unexplained loss of firing mechanism spring tension resulting in failure of the pistols to be fired
safety failures
They kind of run the gammit.
Not saying they are all bad but the law of averages leads me to believe they are not a good carry piece. I have personally held over 100 of these guns that had to be returned to the factory. I understand people are going to buy and own what ever they like, which is great but I personally wouldnt own a semi from this particular manufacturer if I ever planned on using it for defense

ss1
10-29-2008, 04:29 PM
Chris,

Have you ever pulled the trigger both single and double action on a Colt Python? IMHO, it has the most amazing factory trigger on a revolver. And yes, I've shot the 19 as well.

lino
10-29-2008, 04:52 PM
failure to fires,
catastrophic frame failures
unexplained loss of firing mechanism spring tension resulting in failure of the pistols to be fired
safety failures
They kind of run the gammit.
Not saying they are all bad but the law of averages leads me to believe they are not a good carry piece. I have personally held over 100 of these guns that had to be returned to the factory. I understand people are going to buy and own what ever they like, which is great but I personally wouldnt own a semi from this particular manufacturer if I ever planned on using it for defense


:( were those guns older or newer models?

mine is from back in the day 1987...

do this.. shoot my gun.. I do not have the knowledge you have... maybe you can teach me something about it.. maybe i have something wrong with it and don't know :confused:

Chris
10-29-2008, 05:42 PM
Chris,

Have you ever pulled the trigger both single and double action on a Colt Python? IMHO, it has the most amazing factory trigger on a revolver. And yes, I've shot the 19 as well.

I have shot a Python and a King Cobra. Very nice
im just partial to the 19

Chris
10-29-2008, 05:44 PM
:( were those guns older or newer models?

mine is from back in the day 1987...

do this.. shoot my gun.. I do not have the knowledge you have... maybe you can teach me something about it.. maybe i have something wrong with it and don't know :confused:

Newer and older, I dont want you to think you gun is useless, thats not what I was saying. If you have used it succesfully without issues thats great and I dont want to downgrade what you have. Im speaking more from a numbers game. they average more issues than some others

ss1
10-29-2008, 05:58 PM
I have shot a Python and a King Cobra. Very nice
im just partial to the 19

I've done some serious trigger work on my King Cobra and it still doesn't feel like the glass like smoothness of the stock Python. :(

Chris
10-29-2008, 06:07 PM
ive done similiar trigger jobs on 19's with very favorable results

doug5336
10-29-2008, 07:43 PM
My first revolver that I carried, when I got hired in 1988 : Smith & Wesson 686, 4 inch. I still have it. Great gun!

Puffer
04-14-2010, 02:51 AM
The 1st Revolver I ever owned was a Smith and Wesson Model 19 Combat Magnum. It was my Mil. side arm, in the VERY early 60s. I carried it in some of the "worst of situations" & conditions for 3+ years. I t never failed me. After my "tour" I became an LEO & the 1st thing I did was replace the "issue" .38 with a new 19 complete with "Jordon" custom grips. ( I had given my original 19 to a "Team mate" who was still in country.) Here is a pic of me "packing" it in 65
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v301/proffesor/th_2-1.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v301/proffesor/?action=view&current=2-1.jpg)

I carried it also as my CC. ( with "pachmay's") When I became a civi, it became my CC & remained so until, I "retired" it & replaced it with a S&W 66. Yes I still own the 19s & they still shoot as as good as the day I bought them. ( Note = the guns not me )

Puffer

JaxChris
04-14-2010, 04:54 AM
Why did I suddenly think of the Andy Griffith Show?

lino
04-14-2010, 10:20 AM
cool old school pic..

Secpro
04-14-2010, 10:47 AM
Why did I suddenly think of the Andy Griffith Show?

Hey that was a good show. Puffer is seriously old school!

Puffer
04-14-2010, 01:36 PM
Why did I suddenly think of the Andy Griffith Show?

LOL Here is the "cast of "characters"
1. Me - 24 years old. & assigned to the VIP Protection Unit. ( see #2 to get a good laugh.about "who I was "protecting )
2. Archie Moore - Just retired
3. The "true "old school Officer" - This Officer was a "Irish Cop". in all ways.He retires soon after this pi. The Gun he is carrying,( if I recall) was a "Python". The IVORY grips ( yes Real Ivory) where a "gift" from Moore. ( they were close friends & had fought each other in the 40s.)

OLD SCHOOL = YEP Wheel Guns, weighted gloves & saps,, no achad.s ( we learned from our "partners" & on the Job.) Rural "patrol areas" oft time were "huge", Still had a "mounted posse", etc. Oh, yeh, NO SWAT. ( if it got to that point, we had in the "precinct" & in the Sgts, etc. cars "equip. & most of the officers had some "interesting" "toys" in our trunks. ( I had an MI, my "Capt had a Thompson ) LOL
Us vs the BGs = DO NOT MESS with Us. " you may win the 1st round, but you aint going to like the "following" 1." ( this is why a solo Officer could patrol a Large area ( think 0ver 100 sq. miles with numerous towns) or an "urban" area & "survive". Our Major "confrontations were NOT with the "local" BGs, but with the "out of towners".

As to the S&W 19, Thankfully I NEVER had to "present it" although, there were a "couple" of times BGs heard the sound of my 12 ga. being "racked" = ENOUGH SAID ( they knew we had NO qualms about using it ) The 19 did get used when I had a "rural assignment, for "critters" ( carried a 6" in those cases) The 19, IMHO, represented our "philosophy" = it was one of the "best", it was there & if NEEDED, it did it's JOB. ( W/O fail )


Sorry for an "old timer"s " Reminiscing"

Puffer

lino
04-14-2010, 02:34 PM
tells us more about the old patrol and such... these are good stories

Puffer
04-14-2010, 05:53 PM
tells us more about the old patrol and such... these are good stories

Thank you for being interested in the "past" It was a "different world" Some was "better", some was worse. & somethings "never change" ( politics , court frustrations the OOOPS, I can not Believe I did that :hide: )

I would post about these things if there is interest. Perhaps others can relate to the OOOPS & post theirs as we have all "had ours"
But much of what we did, would get the "modern" LEO in DEEP SHIT. & elicit - my GOD you could & did that & still had your badge ??
Or perhaps, state that GOD, I am lucky to have the "commo" I have etc. Or maybe 1 or 2 that "patrol the "hinterland" here in the West can relate as they still operate in some ways the same.

But WHERE would I post. ??


SORRY for the HI JACK, Chris

Puffer

lino
04-15-2010, 10:18 AM
But WHERE would I post. ??



in general discussion.. you start a thread called the good ol days.. and post in there..

Secpro
04-15-2010, 12:55 PM
Yeah general is where most of the off topic stuff goes.

Puffer
04-15-2010, 05:09 PM
in general discussion.. you start a thread called the good ol days.. and post in there..

Thanks. I will post there.

I will start with an OOPS. . Perhaps some will enjoy, ID with & add theirs.

Puffer

lino
04-15-2010, 06:03 PM
Thanks. I will post there.

I will start with an OOPS. . Perhaps some will enjoy, ID with & add theirs.

Puffer

cool