View Full Version : Glock 30sf Question/Problem
Thumper
04-07-2009, 08:03 PM
I bought a glock 30sf not too long few months ago or so. Actually I got it from Guntech (Great People). I'm having an issue though with it cycling some 230gr Hollow points. I read somewhere, maybe even here that some people that have had that issue had their ramp polished and it went away. Does this sound like a solution to the problem? If so, Does Guntech provide this service and around how much does it cost? Also every once in a while I have a problem with the slide returning to battery and or being very sluggish in doing so. Any Ideas on this problem or a way to solve it? My G19 has been flawless. So far this 30 is really bothering me.... :confused:
spikes40
04-07-2009, 08:04 PM
if you fondle cris he might do it for you? but you must be gentle
I have a 30SF that I got from GunTech too. I have not seen this problem yet. I have only cycled about 150 rounds through it at this point. I do clean mine every time I take it to the range without question but I am a spaz about clean equipment.
Thumper
04-07-2009, 08:06 PM
if you fondle cris he might do it for you? but you must be gentle
Gentle? Gentle Isn't very fun....
Thumper
04-07-2009, 08:09 PM
I have a 30SF that I got from GunTech too. I have not seen this problem yet. I have only cycled about 150 rounds through it at this point. I do clean mine every time I take it to the range without question but I am a spaz about clean equipment.
I've put about 700rds through it, clean it every time as well. Actually was cleaning it today and noticed a little groove/rubbing on one of the metal pieces inside, Not sure what its called but its where the piece with the little dimple inside is. I'll see if i can get a picture of it. have not noticed it on the G19 which has way more rds put through it.
Thumper
04-07-2009, 10:05 PM
Here is a pic of the groove/rubbing in question....
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j315/timmyboy6921/glock.jpg
RCSRT8
04-07-2009, 10:25 PM
I'm not one to point out things so much, but that thing is dirty as hell.
Maybe pointing out the area would be better or highlighting it
Thumper
04-08-2009, 01:07 AM
Thanks captain obvious, sorry i took the pic after the range today... Lol anyway besides the dirty part. If you look in the middle of the picture on the metal piece there is like a groove where its rubbing against something.... there is no marks or scrapes on the slide, so I'm not sure where its rubbing
Thumper
04-08-2009, 01:30 AM
Ok, here is another pic Pointing to the problem, and thanks to RCSRT8 there is slightly less "dirt" ;o)
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j315/timmyboy6921/glock2.jpg
That is part of the trigger bar that disengages the firing pin safety as you pull the trigger. I'd have one of us at Guntech take a look at it. It's hard to tell how deep the groove is with the residue on everything, but it really shouldn't be rubbing against the slide anyway and may explain the sluggishness to battery. How heavy is the trigger pull and was there any modifications to the Glock when you purchased it?
Edit: OK now that it's clean, it seems pretty deep. Bring it in and we'll check it out.
Thumper
04-08-2009, 06:45 AM
That is part of the trigger bar that disengages the firing pin safety as you pull the trigger. I'd have one of us at Guntech take a look at it. It's hard to tell how deep the groove is with the residue on everything, but it really shouldn't be rubbing against the slide anyway and may explain the sluggishness to battery. How heavy is the trigger pull and was there any modifications to the Glock when you purchased it?
Edit: OK now that it's clean, it seems pretty deep. Bring it in and we'll check it out.
Everything is stock 100% - Is there anyone specifically at Guntech that should take a look at it? Or just bring it in and anyone there can check it out?
Just bring it in. Four of us are Glock Armorers, but usually you will consult with Rich first.
Thumper,
I popped mine apart to see if I had the same thing going on in mine. I have the same rubbing happening that you have. I guess I will bring mine by to Guntech too since I only got it 3 weeks ago.
You know what, now that I have thought about it a little, I remember that mark being there from the first time I took it apart to clean it....and that was before I fired a single round through it. I am not having any issues like you described. I will just watch it to see that the grove doesnt get any deeper. The guys at Guntech are busy enough without me going there for every little thing.
I'll take a look at a 30SF today to just make sure if it's a normal feature of that gun. I just don't recall seeing the notch on my G26.
I believe I have also seen that groove on the 30 series. Not on the smaller calibers though. Bring it for sure and we can look at it for ya Thumper. The polishing of the feedramp is no big deal, it only takes a minute or two. I have done a few of the larger calibers for this same reason, normally no one has the prob with the smaller calibers though, but those 30's seem to be a bit finicky.
Secpro
04-08-2009, 10:37 AM
Now I'm curious! Once I get off of work i'm going to have to go home and check mine out to see bout that grove issue. There's been under 300 rounds put through mine since I bought it from Guntech a few months back.
Secpro, bring it in. I am surprised you didn't have it polished already. At least to me that is a must have on all my guns. Not only for the reliability but also making it a little easier to clean after shooting.
Secpro, bring it in. I am surprised you didn't have it polished already. At least to me that is a must have on all my guns. Not only for the reliability but also making it a little easier to clean after shooting.
Cris,
Is it something you could do quickly? Like I said I dont want to take up valuable time for polishing. I would love to get mine polished if it will improve feed.
On a separate note the used P22 I got is having feed problems too. Perhaps I will take a ride down today and let you check them both out.
Thanks
Secpro
04-08-2009, 11:10 AM
Secpro, bring it in. I am surprised you didn't have it polished already. At least to me that is a must have on all my guns. Not only for the reliability but also making it a little easier to clean after shooting.
I never really thought about it honestly. None of my guns are polished. I'll have to bring in the XD and the Glock to get polished then. Probably wont be this week since my work schedule is all flickted. I've been working 16 and 12hr shifts. Plus I still need to pick up those 2 mags and that cozy partner.
Chris
04-08-2009, 11:55 AM
take your gun in and have the ramp polished, 230 grain HP's sometimes provide some issues feeding in many types of firearms. Cris or Phil can turn that gun around in a matter of minutes, at this point 1 failure to feed or fire in the first 5000 is NOT indicicative of glock performance and should be looked at by a professional Gunsmith. That would exclude Cris but he does have some people around him in the store who show some professionalism.
:hehe:
As Chris said, as long as there are no deep machining "gouges" in the feedramp which will become much more visible when you start polishing the surface, we should be able to polish them in a mater of minutes. In all fairness, Cris's eyes are better so dealing with his unprofessionalism has an upside.
Secpro
04-08-2009, 02:03 PM
:rofl:
I brought it in today but did not see Cris. I am not sure who the guy was that helped me but he said it looked ok. He ran some Flitz on the ramp and examined the notch that Thumper has pictured and said that is normal. I only had a problem one time when chambering a round the round didnt go all the way in the chamber and I had to pull the slide back and try again. Seems fine. I will go to the range this week/weekend and see if there are any other issues.
Now my P22 is a different story. I left that with Rich. God only knows what is going on with that.
Well, I think the only person other than Rich that could have been in the "smithing area" today is Mike. He's a retired BSO armorer who does PI work and likes to come in and help out. Cris is in TX. Something about collecting on a reach around....
Secpro
04-08-2009, 05:30 PM
Well, I think the only person other than Rich that could have been in the "smithing area" today is Mike. He's a retired BSO armorer who does PI work and likes to come in and help out. Cris is in TX. Something about collecting on a reach around....
:hehe: I do believe you may be correct, sir.
Thumper
04-08-2009, 06:48 PM
Just got back from guntech, they did an amazing polish job on my ramp. Honestly not sure who helped me as sad as that is to say, But he said the rubbing/groove didnt look like it would be a problem, but he didnt notice the same problem on his 30. He did say if it were his gun he would call glock and request a new piece, which is exactly what I will be doing.
Thanks for your help guys
Yes I am currently in Texas, collecting my reach around. :raspberry:
I should have stated that earlier, I will be back in the shop next week.
doug5336
04-09-2009, 07:11 PM
I have never experienced any problem with my Model 30.
Thumper
04-13-2009, 09:25 PM
Got ahold of glock today, they said the rubbing/grinding on the trigger bar is from the firing pin safety lug? Hitting the trigger bar and that it is perfectly normal on the SF's including the 21sf.... Don't know if I buy that but they did say that if I felt it was necesary I coukd send it in to them for them to inspect it. They also said that the slide is much heavier than the 19 slide and that
It may feel sluggish and that it might feel like it isn't returning to battery even though it actuall is... I dunno, sounds more like the guy on the phone just didn't give a shiz and just wanted off the phone since they were closing in 20 min
Got ahold of glock today, they said the rubbing/grinding on the trigger bar is from the firing pin safety lug? Hitting the trigger bar and that it is perfectly normal on the SF's including the 21sf.... Don't know if I buy that but they did say that if I felt it was necesary I coukd send it in to them for them to inspect it. They also said that the slide is much heavier than the 19 slide and that
It may feel sluggish and that it might feel like it isn't returning to battery even though it actuall is... I dunno, sounds more like the guy on the phone just didn't give a shiz and just wanted off the phone since they were closing in 20 min
Let me know when you are going to the range next. I will meet up with you and you can fire my 30SF and see if there is a difference. I dont mind helping you figure it out.
bobidy
10-26-2009, 06:30 PM
I know this is an old thread, but I just wanted to know if Glock has remedied the ftrb on the G 30sf's by now. I read on another forum that the problem of ftrb was caused by a new and longer trigger bar/ #4256-1. Also, they mentioned that Glock has quietly fixed this by lowering the cam on alll current and future models. Btw this info/thread was dated May 25 '09.
I know this is an old thread, but I just wanted to know if Glock has remedied the ftrb on the G 30sf's by now. I read on another forum that the problem of ftrb was caused by a new and longer trigger bar/ #4256-1. Also, they mentioned that Glock has quietly fixed this by lowering the cam on alll current and future models. Btw this info/thread was dated May 25 '09.
What is a ftrb?
spikes40
10-26-2009, 08:18 PM
failure to return battery?
failure to return battery?
OK, I must be an idiot. What exactly is a failure to return to battery? Just trying to see if I have had any with my Glock 30
Yeah, failure to return to battery. We sell a bunch of 30SF's and haven't heard of one doing that. We have a special (orange colored) retainer plate that is about 2/3rds of a standard Glock retainer plate where we can actually view the measurement of the striker with the trigger bar cam/sear while the trigger is at rest and while depressed and make necessary parts replacement. All Glock Armorers should have them.