View Full Version : XD vs Glock
JaxChris
05-19-2009, 03:09 AM
Why the XD hating? Glocks hold their value better or something? All the prices I've seen show Glocks have a higher new price but an equal used price to XD's.
Not starting anything, everyone has preferences and rights to opinions, but my interest in these statements has been piqued.
Why the XD hating? Glocks hold their value better or something? All the prices I've seen show Glocks have a higher new price but an equal used price to XD's.
Not starting anything, everyone has preferences and rights to opinions, but my interest in these statements has been piqued.
XD is still a superior firearm to me. There is only one plus to me with the Glock, it field strips much faster.
I actually don't hate the XD at all. Well except when someone wants me to install aftermarket sights on them. It's been this Glock vs. XD thing at the shop for years. Obviously we know what gun Cris prefers.
I actually don't hate the XD at all. Well except when someone wants me to install aftermarket sights on them. It's been this Glock vs. XD thing at the shop for years. Obviously we know what gun Cris prefers.
Yes the aftermarket sights are definitely a pain in the ass. So you got me on that one too. Its just been a while since I have had to do XD sights, so it slipped my mind. They are both good guns for sure, you can't go wrong either way. The XD just feels better in my hands and the trigger right out of the box is far better than the Glock right out of the box.
I made this a new post, I didn't want to keep dipping in on Adam's trade post.
IraG2362
05-19-2009, 10:04 AM
I have no issue with XD's except i dont like the triggers , Glocks espeacially the 26 and 19 fit my hand perfect and feel natural to me when shooting. I fired a Midsize Glock .40this weekend and again it felt perfect and I dont really like shooting .40( that may have changed now , lol).
RCSRT8
05-19-2009, 10:27 AM
Thats the direct opposite for me, Ive had several Glocks in my hand, and they dont feel comfortable at all. I'd prefer to shoot my Beretta Tomcat over it. The XD fits my hand perfect, and even better with the Pearce Grips. I'm not partial to any brand or model, its always about comfort in my hand first.
Secpro
05-19-2009, 10:46 AM
I love the XD! My biggest issue that I am running into now is finding a duty holster with level 1 0r 2 accomodations. Other than service issues the XD is a great weapon I love the feel and the trigger is smoother to me than with a glock. I really have no issues with Glock. I own a G30SF and working on a service weapon since I can't find the necessary accessories for my XD to field it securely.
JaxChris
05-19-2009, 08:11 PM
Well, didn't this question just spark off a chat. lol
I must say my decision to purchase the XD over a Glock is how natural of a shooter it is in the hand. But the Glock's do have 100x more accessories and mods than the XD. Granted the XD is still a young weapon. Springfield didn't license the rights to the HS2000 and make their tweaks all that long ago.
Also, Springfield is known for quality. Springfield bought the XD as their everyman pistol, but that doesn't mean it is cheap product.
A friend of mine directed me away from Springfield because his brother had a Springfield 1911 and it exploded in his hand. Granted he was firing reloads but I would have assumed the pistol was stronger then that. Not sure on the whole story but can get the details and post them.
JaxChris
05-20-2009, 02:27 AM
Well depending on the type of case separation that led to the kaboom, every pistol is vulnerable. I suggest case separation first because it is the most common hazard of running reloads.
What is found to be the culprit of many reload driven, pistol destroying explosions is because there are plenty of reloaders out there that will retask equipment. A common example is a reloader pulls 3 machines from running .223 rounds and converts them for loading pistol rounds. If the reloader doesn't thoroughly clean the equipment and just "wipes it down" there are plenty of areas where some of the faster and higher pressure rifle powder can still remain. Once the clump of powder eventually shakes lose during the operation of creating pistol rounds it will mostly go into just a few rounds and won't be spread across 100's of rounds like reloaders try to tell you would happen. That is because the pocket of powder they missed comes down as a clump.
If you get a round that has fast high pressure rifle powder in it, the round will explode with extreme violence that no little pistol chamber can withstand and the thin brass walls of the cartridge were never designed to handle. Since the pressure is too great for the casing, it will explode outward in multiple directions and rip the weapon apart.
Want to make sure you have a lesser chance of this happening? Ask your reloader if they ever convert their machines from rifle to pistol and what their cleaning process is during conversion. Many times larger operations with hired (lazy) workers will not properly disassemble and clean the entire loader during conversion.
Luckily an individual with a handloader is less likely to experience this because his device(s) is/are much smaller and they are more likely to clean the entire machine after each use. But a reloading business wouldn't be able to survive without larger machines and big hoppers full of materials.
From everything I've ever read, Springfield does make some of the best pistols out there and there reputation is built on reliability.
Granted I haven't owned a Springfield very long myself, but I'm quite anal-retentive before making purchases. If I didn't care about what I owned I would have 4 Hi-Points, 3 Taurus', 2 Kel-Tec's, or 1 Glock for what I have spent and plan to spend (accessories/mods) on this single XD I have now.
Sorry if that all came off arrogant or defensive, I mean no offense.
I am not an expert on this matter and just sharing what I've learned from months of research before even purchasing my XD. I would just like to ask anyone to atleast try a Springfield pistol themself before ever excluding them as a purchase option based on someone elses advice. I know I'll likely have 1-2 more XD's within the next 12 months, probably an XD-9 in 3" and XD-40 in 4" to go with my XD-45 in 5". My odd ball pistol will probably be a Walther P22 for some really cheap range shooting and to help introduce people to shooting and let them step up in caliber gradually.
And I'm not against reloads. I shoot them myself. But I made sure I was thorough in my research on that as well and found out what to ask before selecting a reloader to buy my ammo from.
Wow, that is the first ever I have ever heard anyone say a glock trigger felt better than a XD trigger. Glock's triggers feel like garbage until modified as where XD right of the box has a nice pull with smooth action.
Dan, you were mislead about Springfield, they make some of the best 1911's. Granted some lines are not as nice as others just like any manufacturer. Let me ask you this, for a decent 1911 you are going to spend about $1000 or more, would you take the chance and put reloads into a nice piece like that.
Again, I am partial to Springfield as I love them. As much shit as I talk about Glock it is not a bad gun, it is one of the most reliable weapons out there. Hell I am going to purchase the G19 only because I can get it at the LE pricing, can't pass that up. If I don't like it I will sell it make a few bucks and get another XD. Glocks are known to be bulky, a little easier to handle for those with big paws.
By the way I had the chance to shoot my G19 that I gave up to my Firefighter friend. Its not a bad shooter at all. Yes, I was ready to take home the G19 the other week after I polished the internal parts to make the Glock feel like it had a decent trigger (still no comparison to the XD) it was a huge difference from right out the box. My FF friend had been waiting on the G26 for a long time, he changed his mind to a G19 just as I recommended to him in the beginning. We had no LE G19's left to sell so I let him take the one I had already put some TLC into.
I didnt mean to bash Springfield but I was directed away in the beginning for that reason. Personally I have heard nothing but good about Springfield on here and other sites. I suppose you will always have one person that had an incident with something and tell others about it. The fact is that bad news travels much faster then good news. Being that I was/am fairly new to firearms in general, I took the advice of a friend who was trying to keep me out of harms way. Knowing what I know now, I would like to check out an XDm as my next pistol purchase. Well maybe the pistol purchase after I get a Sig Sauer. I am drawn to the P220 and P226 carry. I suppose reading all I can and learning all I can will make me more informed on my next purchase.
Thanks for the info on Springfield
A 3.5# connector would have made it better than the XD. LOL.
I'm a huge 1911 fan. It's the first gun I ever bought and the gun that I am most skilled at to smith on. Since I am "old skool", I resisted getting a polymer handgun for years. I hated the idea of "plastic" guns and hated the Glock even more for the weird grip angle and boxy grip and "double action" trigger. My first foray with a plastic gun was the Beretta PX-4 Storm in .40 cal. I liked the feel of the gun and thought the modular grips were a big plus. I honestly didn't think much of it after a few range days with it. When my wife needed a CC gun, I started searching and rented a G26 for her to shoot. I was surprised how accurate the little gun was. So we bought one and it been a great little gun for her. I recently bought a G19 (with a really cool serial number lol) and polished up the trigger. I took it to the Bushido advanced CCW class and was extremely pleased with it's performance. I'm adjusting to the grip angle and truthfully when I point shoot, I am using my thumbs as my reference point. I like the fact that I can do modifications to the Glock much more easily than I can to the XD. Not to say that you can't work on the XD, it's just that you will not find the abundance of aftermarket parts that you can for a Glock (ie threaded barrels, etc).
The gun left out of this discussion but in the same price point and performance range is S&W's M&P. I've seen IPSC shooters use the M&P and do very well. It's all personal preference, and I agree with Cris, you can't go wrong with any of these three.
RCSRT8
05-20-2009, 12:58 PM
Well maybe the pistol purchase after I get a Sig Sauer. I am drawn to the P220 and P226 carry.
I have the Sig P220 Carry Elite, it had me at first glance. Unfortunately the wait for it sucked.
JaxChris
05-20-2009, 02:22 PM
Your own brother made you wait longer than 3 days? How did he not have one in-stock for you the next day?
Satan_3pc
05-20-2009, 07:49 PM
Well... personally I am an XD guy. When I compared the XD, the XDm, and the Glock at the gun store by feel in hand, The XDm came out on top, followed by the XD. Better ergonomic as you advanced gun guys say. I will admit, as I have said in the other threads, I do like the Glock 26 and 27. I have considered getting one of these with a pearce magazine extension as my carry gun, as it felt decent and as Cris has said, "It's a glock" so I could throw it around and not really care, but I will probably end up with an XD40 SC with the pearce magazine extension.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y15/cof3pc/pearce_extension_XD9lg.gif
Your own brother made you wait longer than 3 days? How did he not have one in-stock for you the next day?
Not me, Sig had him waiting several months. RC and his tastes. I never have problems getting what I want.
A 3.5# connector would have made it better than the XD. LOL.
I'm a huge 1911 fan. It's the first gun I ever bought and the gun that I am most skilled at to smith on. Since I am "old skool", I resisted getting a polymer handgun for years. I hated the idea of "plastic" guns and hated the Glock even more for the weird grip angle and boxy grip and "double action" trigger. My first foray with a plastic gun was the Beretta PX-4 Storm in .40 cal. I liked the feel of the gun and thought the modular grips were a big plus. I honestly didn't think much of it after a few range days with it. When my wife needed a CC gun, I started searching and rented a G26 for her to shoot. I was surprised how accurate the little gun was. So we bought one and it been a great little gun for her. I recently bought a G19 (with a really cool serial number lol) and polished up the trigger. I took it to the Bushido advanced CCW class and was extremely pleased with it's performance. I'm adjusting to the grip angle and truthfully when I point shoot, I am using my thumbs as my reference point. I like the fact that I can do modifications to the Glock much more easily than I can to the XD. Not to say that you can't work on the XD, it's just that you will not find the abundance of aftermarket parts that you can for a Glock (ie threaded barrels, etc).
The gun left out of this discussion but in the same price point and performance range is S&W's M&P. I've seen IPSC shooters use the M&P and do very well. It's all personal preference, and I agree with Cris, you can't go wrong with any of these three.
Phil, how did I know you were going to pull out the 3.5# trigger, and I thing the XD is better. :raspberry:
You are correct about the M&P's I have heard nothing but good about them. The nice sell point of them is the magazine disconnect. Since this was a XD vs Glock thread though I only mentioned the ones in the original title. :bolt:
It is a great add though, you can't go wrong with any three at their price levels.
I fired the M&P 40C and didnt care for it. It felt like the frame was shifting around. I thought the magazine was going to pop out of it. As they say in the automotive sales world, there is an ass for every seat. Its all about personal preference.
JaxChris
05-20-2009, 11:05 PM
Well polyguns are supposed to flex as part of the overall action. Granted, you shouldn't feel or hear rattle in the magazine though.
I haven't even looked at the M&P's yet, but I think I will now at the next gun show (June 6th & 7th, you want to go Matt?).
My carry system will likely start with an XD-9 Sub Compact and expand to include a Ruger LCP as a backup piece as money allows in the future. I've been spending alot of time today pondering my future carry system. A lot of decisions out there now, but the core of it will always be an XD. =)
I fired the M&P 40C and didnt care for it. It felt like the frame was shifting around. I thought the magazine was going to pop out of it. As they say in the automotive sales world, there is an ass for every seat. Its all about personal preference.
If you shot that gun at Arizona shooting range, do not base your taste off any of there guns. The guns they rent are so dirty and have been abused so bad its hard to judge it off those guns. Once I went in there and we rented a brand new gun that had never been fired. Unfortunately it was the Kahr PM40....fire, jam, fire, jam, fire, fire, jam and so on. Yes a brand new Kahr needs to be broken in for sure. It was nice to be able to rent a brand new gun though.
RCSRT8
05-21-2009, 09:22 AM
Your own brother made you wait longer than 3 days? How did he not have one in-stock for you the next day?
Not me, Sig had him waiting several months. RC and his tastes. I never have problems getting what I want.
Roughly 3 months for the Sig, I got a free hat and knife out of it though. I waited on the .357 also. And I'm sure if I get another it will be the same thing again.
Back on topic, I'd like to get another XD, but a .45 this time around. But still undecided about Tru-Glo sites this time around. Thats another waiting period to get a warranty repair on them.
You got the knife and hat courtesy of me. Plus I didn't have to wait long for my Tru-Glo sights.
I am waiting on the XDM 45.
Satan_3pc
05-21-2009, 02:30 PM
You got the knife and hat courtesy of me. Plus I didn't have to wait long for my Tru-Glo sights.
I am waiting on the XDM 45.
The guys at the store I buy at are saying they heard there won't be an XDm 45, and no compact versions either.
JaxChris
05-21-2009, 03:31 PM
RC, get the XD45 4" Compact and order some SureSight's w/ Tritium. =)
RCSRT8
05-21-2009, 03:52 PM
I'm holding on it for now, I'm looking for something a little more unique at the moment. Whether its old or rare. I want something to keep me busy for a while. Doubt I'll buy brand new on the next purchase. But I have to say Rich got me interested in the Wildey again.
JaxChris
05-21-2009, 07:44 PM
I'd like to find a used XD45 Compact (4" or 5") for 400$. That may attract me away from the idea of an XD9 Sub Compact and Ruger LCP. lol
Satan_3pc
05-21-2009, 10:02 PM
You think we could conceal those around here with our typical attire, Jax? If so, I will probably just get the same thing. I'd rather carry a .45 myself. It's either that or the .40 sub.
JaxChris
05-22-2009, 02:35 AM
The XD45 Compact could definitely be just as concealable as the Sub-Compact. Reason being that they have the same length grip, which is the profile you're concerned with showing through your clothes. Only personal comfort suffers from a long barrel. But being a taller person or larger person allows for more barrel without reducing comfort. Try having your pistol your pants Matt. Your slide is just a little longer than the XD45 Compact. If it doesn't restrict your movement or doesn't make it uncomfortable to sit then you'd be fine with a 45 instead of the XD40sc.
Now I'm going to get into why I wish they had an XD9 or XD40 in Compact. Some people make their own by doing a grip chop. The XD40sc has a lot of muzzle climb, so don't expect to be very accurate if you do a double-tap. The XD9sc is more controllable in this regard.
I've even seen a few, very rare, XD45 Tactical Compacts. A full 5" barrel with the Sub-Compact grip.
Blah, I just need to goto Knight's and rent a couple different XD's from them to figure out which I want for carry.
My basic philosophy is for each step up in caliber, barrel length should also increase to counter balance the amount of energy generated by the round fired.
Crossbreed holster will conceal that XDM you have. I have shown customers over and over with my crossbreed holster in the store.
Satan_3pc
05-22-2009, 10:23 AM
The Glock 30 is a candidate for my carry gun too. I guess I will have to try a couple out myself.
I want a LaserMax system on my carry too.
JaxChris
05-22-2009, 03:49 PM
Let's not get Cris started about the LaserMax again. lol
Matt, we need to go rent a couple compacts and see which we like best for shooting. I certainly don't want to buy 3 different pistols just to find the one that works best for me. That would get expensive.
Satan_3pc
05-22-2009, 07:37 PM
Agreed. My list consist of the XD .45 compact, The Glock 30, Glock 26, 27, and the XD sub compacts.
Let's not get Cris started about the LaserMax again. lol
Matt, we need to go rent a couple compacts and see which we like best for shooting. I certainly don't want to buy 3 different pistols just to find the one that works best for me. That would get expensive.
Just learn how to shoot and you can put that $200-300 towards your next gun purchase.
Satan_3pc
05-23-2009, 02:22 PM
It's not about learning how to shoot. It's about having to make a fast draw during an adrenaline rush and shooting faster and more accurately than your foe. Sorry, but when it comes to defending my life, my ego is left behind. I don't have to prove nothing, other than I'll still be alive.
That's my philosophy on the topics anyways.
Having to find and switch the laser on could cost you your life. Fast draw with a lasermax is a joke. If you are looking for a faster draw go with a crimson trace then the pressure switch will activate with a proper draw.
Satan_3pc
05-23-2009, 02:48 PM
I didn't know anything about those. Now we're talking.
Satan_3pc
05-23-2009, 02:51 PM
Hmm, I do like this system.
http://www.crimsontrace.com/Home/Products/GLOCK/LG629/tabid/214/Default.aspx
A Glock 30 with one of those would make a nice carry gun.
Hmm, I do like this system.
http://www.crimsontrace.com/Home/Products/GLOCK/LG629/tabid/214/Default.aspx
A Glock 30 with one of those would make a nice carry gun.
I saw a new version that places the laser higher so keeping trigger discipline won't block the laser. I'll try to find it.
JaxChris
05-23-2009, 11:09 PM
Matt and I were talking about the LaserGuard from Crimson Trace as well. I think it is a perfect laser for a BUG like a Ruger LCP. The Glock36 fits one perfect, but they don't make one for the fatboy Glock30 Compact.
Also, I've heard of people modifying the activation switch of the XD LaserMax to work with the grip safety instead of the mag release. This way when you grab the pistol it automatically comes on. Set it for pulse instead of constant and you have the best possible laser that won't obstruct the use of any holster.
Satan_3pc
05-23-2009, 11:57 PM
A LaserMax on the grip safety? Now on that I think I'd be sold. XD45 compact with a LaserMax set up like that. It'd be perfect.
JaxChris
05-24-2009, 09:31 PM
That's some people on XDtalk that were discussing the possibility and are working with Springer to see if they can make it happen. It might have to be an external activator running through the tear down lever to the guide rod laser, but I'll wait to see what they come up with.