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Slowbra01
05-21-2009, 01:47 PM
Who here has one or has experience working on one?
Been thinking of adding a shotgun to the armory for a very LONG time now. And i'm glad i waited this long. Been able to really get a feel for what i want. I am confident that i am set on getting a Saiga 12 but pending some issues.
1- i would like it converted (modify it so it can accept traditional ak parts and accessories)
2- i would need some direction into shortening the barrel or rather getting a shorter barrel. Where to acquire one, how to install it and the papers to make it legal.
i'm basically looking into something along the lines of this: YouTube - Tromix Saiga 12 SBS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Re7goKbKWiM)
Anyone have an idea how much $$ it would take to do it? I would like to do it over a period of time.
I looked into this project not too long ago. It seems to be very easy to accomplish with readlily available parts, however, if you want to do it right, you need access to a welder who can fill in the Saiga trigger and connector holes and then re-park the receiver. Otherwise you have these ugly holes exposed on the side. The other thing that most at home conversions don't do is to have an original trigger guard installed which requires the removal of the mag release and spot weld and rivet. Otherwise, you need to drill and screw on or rivet an adapted trigger guard.
I have a Mig, Tig and stick welder....let me know. I love projects.
JaxChris
05-22-2009, 03:05 AM
So Joe, you're saying asians as good a marksman as they are drivers and need a sawed off scatter-rifle just to make sure they hit something? lol
I watched that video and I thought I was in another reality hearing that sound coming from a rifle. And why you want an auto-shotty? You know yourself from CS that a pump does far more damage against soft and armored targets. lol
I looked into this project not too long ago. It seems to be very easy to accomplish with readlily available parts, however, if you want to do it right, you need access to a welder who can fill in the Saiga trigger and connector holes and then re-park the receiver. Otherwise you have these ugly holes exposed on the side. The other thing that most at home conversions don't do is to have an original trigger guard installed which requires the removal of the mag release and spot weld and rivet. Otherwise, you need to drill and screw on or rivet an adapted trigger guard.
I am with Class 3 Phil on this, he can also enlighten you how to properly get the paperwork for a short barrel.
Since it is a smoothbore, you can easily have the barrel cut without having it pressed out of the trunion. However, if you want it threaded for a muzzle break, then you would probably have to have it removed. Prior to cutting the barrel, you need to complete a Form 1 to build an SBS and once you receive the approved form and stamp, cut away. Joe since you live in Miami, there is no hope of getting a Form 1 approved individually, so you will have to go either the Corporate or Trust route.
JaxChris
05-22-2009, 03:56 PM
I was thinking of forming a trust just for the hell of it, regardless if I ever have a Class 3 weapon or not. I figure one day I'll want to toy around with silencers or an SBR though.
Satan_3pc
05-22-2009, 07:42 PM
I just want a real M4 or M16A4
I was thinking of forming a trust just for the hell of it, regardless if I ever have a Class 3 weapon or not. I figure one day I'll want to toy around with silencers or an SBR though.
Could you elaborate on the "trust" as to what it is, what it is needed for, and how one would go about getting one. I guess I am still very green in the world of firearms.
anthony20031
05-22-2009, 08:03 PM
Only trust i know is the way you help pass money etc down to family members etc
spikes40
05-22-2009, 08:45 PM
Could you elaborate on the "trust" as to what it is, what it is needed for, and how one would go about getting one. I guess I am still very green in the world of firearms.
Dan..the NFA section of the forum has lots of info on trusts..you can ping me off line as well if you need more detailed info
As for the SBS..might as well go with a tromix..tony rumore does amazing work...but you need to buy the converted gun..he stopped taking on new guns when the waiting list hit 2 years
http://tromix.com/Welcome.htm
Slowbra01
05-26-2009, 09:53 PM
Honestly guys, i know crap about any paperwork concerning class3 weapons or the like. I don't even know where to start!
After careful consideration, i think i would be better off just buying the s17 rather than buying an off the shelf saiga12 and then doing the modifications myself. Although it would be a good learning experience, i just don't have the resources or the time to do it myself (safely). So, if i ...or rather, when i buy the s17 lol, where do i start as far as paper works go?
BTW, thanks for the offer on the welding Dan, i just might take you up on that on other projects if you're interested later on.
Joe, next time you are in the shop and Phil is there just talk to him about it.
Slowbra01
09-08-2009, 03:52 PM
revisited:
I see that there is a "sporter" version. Is this pretty much a factory "converted" saiga?
Chris
09-08-2009, 06:44 PM
hmmmmm, that is quite nasty I must say
Secpro
09-09-2009, 10:34 AM
Guy I work with has a Saiga 12 and god damn it feels good in the hands. I'm waiting to get a chance to shoot it.
Are the Saiga 12s decent shot guns? The idea is cool but they look kind of shabby. Do they work well?
Most of the feedback I've had has been that they run like a top. The only complaint that I know of is a customer that had feeding issues with their .410 model primarily due to the magazine. The shells kept getting hung up in both mags. I deburred the mags and it slightly improved. My theory was that it was probably the shells being a hair too long. I would bet that if he shopped around, he would find a brand or two that would have no issues.
Secpro
09-10-2009, 07:44 AM
Are the Saiga 12s decent shot guns? The idea is cool but they look kind of shabby. Do they work well?
I haven't heard any complaints with the 12g. All I know love it! They say the recoil feels a lot lower than with a regular frame 12g.
Slowbra01
10-03-2009, 06:57 PM
I am a proud owner of a Saiga 12!!!! Woooot! just wanted to share my excitement!
RCSRT8
10-03-2009, 10:01 PM
so you'll make it to the range next year sometime?
I am a proud owner of a Saiga 12!!!! Woooot! just wanted to share my excitement!
you got a couple new weapons right ? congratz
Chris
10-03-2009, 10:17 PM
I am a proud owner of a Saiga 12!!!! Woooot! just wanted to share my excitement!
Do you have any other bills?
Man your worse than me
JaxChris
10-04-2009, 01:00 AM
I don't think Joe pays for anything except for guns, ammo, food, and shit paper. He might not even buy the food. Sadly I have heard that Joe buys everything and shoots nothing. lol
Slowbra01
10-05-2009, 10:09 PM
Guys...this is the worst part... I currently actually have to support the GF. So even more bills. But hey...i still need my toys every once in a while!
I will get to the range sometime....lol.
RCSRT8
10-05-2009, 10:25 PM
but that should be cheap, pay her in pesos (PHP)
Slowbra01
10-05-2009, 11:05 PM
Hahaha, if only she were filipina, then i could mess around like that lol.
Hahaha, if only she were filipina, then i could mess around like that lol.
Did you lose your Asian gravy train?
Vertical
10-06-2009, 07:51 AM
He has converted to the hispanic side, lol
Congrats on the purchase.....now go shoot it!
He has converted to the hispanic side, lol
What's his name?
JaxChris
10-06-2009, 08:13 AM
What's his name?
It's Jesus, his poolboy.
It's Jesus, his poolboy.
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RCSRT8
10-06-2009, 09:11 AM
Well you can still pay in pesos
Vertical
10-06-2009, 02:11 PM
Ahaha!
spikes40
10-06-2009, 02:21 PM
this thread is useless without pics!
this thread is useless without pics!
of the Saiga 12 right? not the pool guy :raspberry:
spikes40
10-06-2009, 02:38 PM
correct..lets see the saiga..cris can have the pic of the poolboy:raspberry:
correct..lets see the saiga..cris can have the pic of the poolboy:raspberry:
When you come over to clean the pool Adam I will post the pics for the rest of the guys. :tiphat:
spikes40
10-06-2009, 03:22 PM
When you come over to clean the pool Adam I will post the pics for the rest of the guys. :tiphat:
you would love that wouldnt you =)
you would love that wouldnt you =)
Rumor has it, you wear speedo's when you do.
spikes40
10-06-2009, 04:00 PM
Rumor has it, you wear speedo's when you do.
Only on request :bolt:
JaxChris
10-06-2009, 05:18 PM
you would love that wouldnt you =)
Come on man, it's his birthday... can't you atleast grant him one wish? lol